They Store Energy as a Magnetic Field, That Is Why They Glow
Summary
The video features host Ashton Forbes discussing a presentation by guest Gary Stephenson, a researcher associated with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. Stephenson argues that Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs) operate using principles of general relativity and quantum mechanics, specifically through gravitational field propulsion. He posits that these craft manipulate space-time by accelerating electrons to near light-speed within toroidal coils, creating a measurable gravitational effect known as the Lense-Thirring effect.
This process relies on superconducting nanotechnology to handle the immense electrical currents required without melting the device.
Forbes enthusiastically interprets Stephenson's technical explanations as confirmation that UAPs are essentially Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage (SMES) devices. He connects this to the video's title, asserting that because magnetic fields are massless, storing energy in them allows for the creation of gravity beams and wormholes. The discussion highlights a perceived 'brotherhood' among physicists like Robert Forward, Bob Baker, and Stephenson, suggesting they are withholding this technology.
The core argument is that UAPs use relativistic particle acceleration and superconductors to manipulate the vacuum energy (zero-point energy) to achieve propulsion and potentially teleportation.
Key Claims (6)
Gary Stephenson, a volunteer with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, was asked to assess whether gravitational field propulsion could be one way UAPs operate, and presented a peer-reviewed taxonomy of general-relativistic and quantum-mechanical gravity-manipulation approaches at Marcel Grossmann 17.
Evidence: Gary Stephenson's presentation at the Marcel Grossmann 17 conference.
Forbes argues UAPs could use Forward-style mass-flow toroids: electrons accelerated near light speed gain relativistic mass, which Stephenson says might give enough mass flow for a measurable Lense-Thirring (space-time) effect.
Evidence: Robert Forward's mass-flow coil concept (first published in the early 1960s), revisited by Gary Stephenson and William Reiken in 2019 and 2021.
Superconducting nanotechnology is essential for UAP propulsion because it allows superconducting wires to support incredible amounts of current without heating up or exploding, enabling the necessary mass flow for gravity manipulation.
Evidence: Stephenson's partnership with William Reiken; discussion of superconducting nanotechnology wires.
Forbes argues the orbs are superconducting magnetic energy storage (SMES) devices, storing energy as a massless magnetic field; Gary Stephenson notes the Forward mass-flow coil geometry is the same as the SMES devices the Department of Energy has studied.
Evidence: Stephenson's identification of SMES geometry.
Forbes suggests graphene as a candidate material for relativistic mass-flow effects, because its electron drift velocity is many orders of magnitude higher than copper's.
Evidence: Forbes' commentary.
Forbes argues that physicists in this field, such as Gary Stephenson and Robert Forward who overlapped at Hughes Aircraft Company, form a close-knit community whose loyalty to one another explains why none of them turn whistleblower on advanced gravity research.
Evidence: Forbes' commentary on Stephenson's overlap with Robert Forward at Hughes Aircraft.
Theories Presented (2)
Video Details
- Published
- October 21, 2026
- Duration
- 15:44
- Views
- 5,639
- Claims Extracted
- 6
- Theories
- 2
- References
- 5
People Mentioned
Full transcript
Show
Okay, the only background I'm going to give you guys for Gary Stevenson this little tiny little Gary Stevenson. He's actually trapped in this box right here. We'll we'll free him with wormhole. The only thing you need to know about him is that he built quantum communication devices for our nuclear doomsday planes. Yes. Quantum communication devices for our nuclear doomsday planes for when we're in full nuclear winter with Russia and China.
And we still have to have our plane flying around so we can communicate. We're going to use quantum internet to communicate when they're jamming all the wavelengths and zapping us with nuclear weapons. So that's all you need to know about Gary Stevenson. You should pay very very close attention to what he says cuz I'm personally convinced that he knows way more than he let than he even says publicly. There we go. >> I've been uh volunteering with the uh SCU, the Scientific Coalition >> Oh yeah, he and Hal Puthoff are tight. They're tight, Chad. >> for peace studies for just over a year now.
Uh and when I joined >> Okay. Can we fix the UAP Learning Council? Chad. Number one, make Gary Stevenson the head of the UAP Learning Council. Why are we going for Avi Loeb? It's like putting Candace Owens in charge of the Charlie Kirk investigation.
Can we get somebody serious, please? How about we put this guy in charge? And this guy can do presentations and explain how gravity manipulation works and how you can use superconductors to to produce these UFO effects. Can we do that? Cuz if that [ __ ] happens, I'm going to be the number one fan of the UAP Learning Council. I'm going to have all the swag.
Okay, anyway, carry on. >> And first, it's an all-volunteer organization. And I asked them, "Where do you need the most help?" And because of my background with gravitational waves, they said, "Could you have a look at gravitational field propulsion, see if it makes any sense at all in the context of possibly being one of the ways UAPs could operate? Uh and if and if it is, you know, could we leverage this for um reproduction vehicles for for our versions of these?" >> Uh yeah. Um yes.
Uh hey chat, I don't know if you're on the you know which stream you're on right now, but this is the guy that said, "Check out AC Holt's 1979 paper about uh field resonance propulsion." Uh yeah, when they talk about field propulsion, that's just another fancy word for gravity beam. That's just another fancy word for gravity propulsion, manipulating the ether so that we don't have to move, we just pick some ether up with us inside of it and move the ether somewhere else. Or we make a vortex where we just follow the flow of the ether naturally without moving at all. Oh, yes.
Oh, yes. >> UAPs. Uh and then the second part of that task was to get this material uh peer-reviewed by experts in the field. Uh and so the way I did that was I went uh and took it to Marcel Grossmann 17. This is a every other year meeting of general relativists that are that are working in the field. >> I mean, look, dude. He's drop he's name-dropping [ __ ] I've never even heard of. Marcel Grossmann 17?
Is that the new season of the the real housewives? I mean, I have a feeling that it's not. He's like, "Hey, uh he's like, 'Hey, I'm just going to take my study to go get peer-reviewed at the Marcel Grossmann 17.'" He could just be making that [ __ ] up. All I know it sounds prestigious as hell. This is Can Why is it Why is Gary Stevenson not in charge of the UAP learning group? Chat.
He's probably retired. I don't know. He's got to be rich. Looks like it. Look at that nice place he's got. >> And I presented it there and that's how I was able to get this material peer-reviewed. So, that that occurred last summer in Italy.
And uh I think it was pretty well received. I didn't get a lot of comments live. I did get some questions after the fact, but it wound up getting published in the proceedings from Marshall Grossman. So, it did undergo peer-review. Uh basically, what I tried to do was create a taxonomy of various possible forms of general relativity uh or quantum mechanical gravitational manipulation. Um so, those are the two broad categories.
The the classical general relativity, uh warping of space-time, or just quantum mechanically uh changing uh the space-time at the quantum level. So, those are the two uh approaches I'm going to review here in overview fashion. >> Boy, oh boy. What does that first one say right at the top there, chat? Forward coil mass flow toroids. Forward as in Robert Forward? Yes, chat.
Robert Forward. The very first one. When Ashton says Everybody says, "You can't extract the zero-point energy. It's the lowest ground state. You can't extract it. It's the lowest ground state.
You can't extract it. It's the lowest ground state." Like a broken record. And I say, "Yes, you can." Robert Forward's 1984 paper shows unequivocally that the Casimir effect can extract energy and we have to assume that energy is coming from space-time. Why?
Because we didn't put in the energy in. We put no energy in and the plates are just coming together. And now we charged a battery out of it. How How that happen? The energy didn't come from the plates. They're just sitting there.
So, that's energy from the vacuum. The problem The reason why they hate this is because it makes the idea easy to understand. In their minds, they're thinking the zero-point energy is Harry Potter missed. They're thinking it's exotic matter. It can't exist. And I'm going, "No, it's just normal energy." They're like, "What?"
Okay. Here we go. >> Uh and hopefully we'll have time at the end if we Anybody wants to go back to any of these, then, you know, we can do that. >> [clears throat] >> Uh the one I've studied the most This This isn't in any particular order other than the order of which I'm familiar with it. I'm >> And Gary Stephenson was Bob Baker's protégé. He may have been the one who learned under Bob Baker. Bob Baker was like the goat of gravity waves. So, you're You're looking at a guy who's got all the pedigree you could want.
By the way, the amount of degrees of freedom that go back to like the original physics goats is like one or two for most of these people. Like Bob Baker almost certainly worked with like John Archibald Wheeler at some point. So, you look at this and you realize we are from looking at this from a historical perspective of us exposing anti-gravity, whatever you want to call it, we're not that far disconnected from the original guys that developed all this. We're like two degrees of Kevin Bacon away from a lot of these people.
People are going to be researching this in 100 years, and they're going to be six degrees of freedom away from all these people. And we are like touching them. We're so close. >> I'm most familiar with Robert Forward's work. He was a contemporary of mine, actually the generation prior, but I did overlap with them a little bit at Hughes Aircraft Company. I was working uh >> Hey, he is. He's he's he overlapped with Robert Forward at Hughes Aircraft Company.
These guys are literally in a brotherhood. You say, "Hey, why don't these guys go whistleblower?" This is like turning on your wild guild. Are you going to turn on your wild forever guild? Of course you're not. You would never turn on your guildmates.
These guys aren't turning on their guildmates either, bro. No chance. They've known each other forever. >> in Hughes at the time he was at Hughes Research Malabar Labs. Uh, and he had first uh dreamt up a a coil a mass flow coil which in an inspiraling mass will trigger a Lense-Thirring effect in the surrounding space-time. Uh, and then that Lense-Thirring effect uh tends to build at the center of the coil.
Uh, and no one did a lot of work at this because it was like huge numbers of solar masses you would have to get flowing in a in a coil like this to get it to work. He first published this in the early '60s. I had a look at it again later on um in in 2019 and 2021 because I had partnered with William Reiken who is is also uh a friend of Tim's and had an interest in this area and he'd been working with nanotechnology and these uh superconducting nanotechnology wires could could could could support an incredible amount of current.
Uh, >> [snorts] >> we're talking about now electrical current. So >> Whoa whoa whoa okay. Superconducting wires can support an incredible amount of current. I don't know if I've just learned too much now, but suddenly I like the ability to pick out the exact key moments. The reason why that's so big is we need to be able to build up a huge amount of current in our little donut guy. We need a huge amount of current and the only way we can do this is with these superconducting wires.
Why? We need so much current that that middle point, the middle of the donut, produces a gravitational effect. When he says Lenz-Thirring effect, what he's basically saying there is that's going to manipulate space-time. The middle of the donut is where the space-time manipulation is going to happen. We just need a huge amount of current flowing through this through our donut. And the reason why this is big is that we can't see the effect otherwise.
The donut will explode before we'll see the gravity effect in the middle. Because the electrons moving around through from the classical perspective, the electrons moving around through will eventually be hitting the material and it's going to heat up. It's going to break apart. So, this is absolutely huge. You understand why is superconductor why are superconductors so important? One reason why they're so important is because they can hold a whole bunch more current before melting down because there's no resistance, they don't heat up. >> The mass that's flowing will be the mass of electrons.
And the people often forget that in a particle accelerator setting >> Okay. Holy [ __ ] he just said particle accelerator. Holy [ __ ] Chad. He's really going there. What have I told you that the orbs are? Fusion reactor particle accelerators.
Why? Because we are using general relativity. This is where so many of the flat Earth people and other people that claim they love Tesla, they want to throw out Einstein, but that's not the right move. The right move is you mix Einstein and Tesla. Why? Because if we accelerate an object to the speed of light, what happens to it?
Basic physics, Chad. Classic physics, accelerate Let's take a tiny particle. Let's tell accelerate our tiny particle to the speed of light. What's going to happen? It's going to get heavier. It's going to get more massive.
And the more massive it gets, the more gravitational impact it's going to have. So, if we wanted in theory to make a gravity beam, one thing we want to do is make something really heavy. And if we can use energy to make something really heavy, even better. We don't want to make a giant massive planet. We just want energy to be condensed. And energy can be condensed even more than mass, potentially. >> So, of um electrons uh is not a constant.
It depends upon how close to the speed of light they're being accelerated. So, if you've got a very high voltage accelerating these electrons near the speed of light, uh you could certainly see how there might be enough mass flow to get a measurable impact in um THESE TOROIDAL COILS. >> BOOM! IF YOU COULD accelerate the particles near the speed of light, you could see how there could be enough of a mass effect to get a measurable gravitational effect. Ooh, boy. And you can then also potentially look at graphene. If you're a graphene casual graphene enjoyer, some of y'all are out there.
For my casual graphene enjoyers, you say, "Why is graphene so special?" Have you looked at the electron drift velocity? The electron drift velocity, how much the electrons naturally can freely move through the material, aka the graphene, is very high. The electron drift velocity of graphene is significantly higher, many orders of magnitude higher than copper.
So, you say, "Oh, if I'm looking for relativistic effects from particles moving, graphene is a great spot to look." >> Well, that's what I started studying and I and then I realized this geometry is the same geometry as a superconducting magnetic energy storage device, SMES, that the Department of Energy has been studying for many years. >> Okay. Dude, you got to slow it down, Gary. You're dropping too many truth nukes here. SMES? What is that What did he say, guys? Can someone figure out what he said?
SMES, superconducting energy storage. We're definitely looking that [ __ ] up. Yes, SMES, m e s, s m e s. Superconducting magnetic storage is a system that stores electrical energy directly AS A MAGNETIC FIELD. >> [screaming] >> YES! HOLY [ __ ] Holy [ __ ] chat. There it is.
Store your energy as a magnetic field. Why? Because it's massless. Because magnetic fields don't have any mass. Holy [ __ ] I'm reeling. That's what a superconducting magnetic energy storage is.
The exact thing that I'm saying these orbs are doing to build up energy, they're storing it as magnetic field strength. The orbs are superconducting magnetic energy storage devices. Holy [ __ ] chat. They're going to [ __ ] kill me, chat. If they don't kill me, then honestly, I'm just disappointed in our CIA at this point. I'm honestly just disappointed.
You can't just be having people exposing [ __ ] like this randomly on YouTube streams at 6:00 in the evening during prime time. My God, this is crazy.