The PRETENDERS - Hal Puthoff

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Carl Sean could not have predicted 2021, but he did see it coming. He wrote the following back in 1995, and we quote, "I have a foreboating of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time. When the United States is a service and information economy. When nearly all the manufacturing industries [music] have slipped away to other countries. When awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few and no one representing the public interest [music] can even grasp the issues. When the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority. [music] When clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical [music] faculties in decline. Unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide almost without noticing [music] back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow [music] decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media. The 30-second sound bites now down to 10 [music] seconds or less. lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudocience and superstition, [music] but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. Roll that [music] around for a while. Those were among his final published words. He died 10 [music] months later. Here we are 25 years later, realizing just what he [music] was trying to tell us back then. Malaysian 370 contact switch 120 decimal 97. >> Breaking news tonight. A Malaysia Airlines flight [music] with 239 people on board, including four Americans, has [music] gone missing. >> Even as these grainy satellite images released today by the Chinese government >> again, the Malaysian [music] platoon was a was one shot at China saying, "Knock it up. >> Why shoot it down though if it's not hostile?" [music] Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. >> What the heck is it? >> They distance annihilate. >> This [music] country is very powerful. >> Far more powerful than people understand. We have [music] weaponry that nobody has any idea what it is. And it is the most powerful weapons in the world. Not even close. I remember [music] the line from Hindu scripture [music] is trying to persuade the prince that [music] he should do his duty and to impress him [music] takes on his multi-armed form and says [music] now I am become death to destroy >> [music] >> I suppose we all thought that. >> The Americans would chat. Welcome to the greatest live stream on planet Earth. We are trends setters chat. We are trendsetters. We are the lower class fighting back. We I am Robin Hood and you are my merry mend of thieves. stealing back science and technology from the CIA and the United States government. And the best part is we have them caught in a catch 22. If you are just now watching this live stream for the first time, you're going to hear the most amazing [ __ ] you've ever heard in your entire life. And the most amazing part about it is that it's all true. The United States is responsible for the missing airliner MH370 disappeared on March 8th, 2014. They aren't just responsible for it. They used a super weapon on it. It was some kind of espionage between China and Russia, scientists, whatever. The most important part is orbs. Orbs. Four orbs to be to be uh specific. And not just that, they teleported it. teleported it with some orbs. And I'm here to tell you that this means they've got technology far beyond what they're pretending they have. And the worst part is the people that have been tasked to give us disclosure, the crash retrievalss and the aliens, the space aliens. Oo, scary. Those are the people that must be hiding this. This is the part. This is the reason why I'm not on mainstream TV. Why you don't see me in an interview with the congressman because I'm not that kind of person. That's not what I'm The way that I work, the way that I operate. What we're revealing goes far beyond what people are comfortable talking about. And it reveals >> the deeper truth that they're hiding. It reveals the secret. So, we're gonna talk about Hal Pudof tonight. Now, before that, time to set another trend. chat. How many trends have we set? I can't wait for the Ethernet. Is it blurry? Sorry. Okay, hold on. Let me fix it. That's me. [snorts] Okay, we're back. It's got to be a Streamyard thing. I don't know why. First question. Are we getting David Froing videos tonight? Probably not. I know I did promise it. I did. But the things happen that I said if they happen, we've got to review them. Number one, Lu Alzando responded to Ross Kolhart. We're going to watch that in just a minute. And then number two, Hal Pudof did an interview. And we need to dig through the Hal Pudof interview. I don't know why the audio of the video does that all the time. It has to be a Streamyard thing. I'll try to figure out why. Guys, there's a new trend on the block. A new hip viral trend in the hood. The pi the Kool-Aid pineapples are out. Some guy got shot and is dangerous now. And we're not doing Kool-Aid pineapples anymore. It's [clears throat] a white boy summer and us white boy summers, we don't we don't mess around with those Kool-Aid pineapples. Gives you diabetes. So, I'm here to tell you chat, where's my spoon? I got something even better. [clears throat] It's called red grapefruit. No sugar added. The best part about it, you don't have to add anything to it. In fact, you can pour out this liquid because this is just more sugar in there. Just drink water. Let me let me get let me taste some of this daba. Bro, guys, if if the grapefruits the delicious grapefruits are sold out at the Walmart tomorrow, [snorts] I swear to God, I'm done streaming. No more streams. No more no more free energy. If if if you guys sell out the grapefruits, that's it. We're done. It's all over. End of disclosure. [snorts] Maybe I shouldn't even put them on the stream. So delicious. The worst part about grapefruit is having to undo it, cut it, and all that. Problem solved. Uh, worst aftertaste. No, you mean best aftertaste. You're confused. Okay, guys. We better just move on because I can already see we might be starting like a a world war here amongst the uh amongst the populace, amongst our following. Let's get into the content. We got to expose some people here. Um, one thing I thought was interesting before we dig into that is time travel. Everybody asked me about time travel and they want to know, can we go back in time? Sabine Hosenfelder made a video today about retrocausality from a new scientific paper that claims we can and it actually is consistent with what John Kramer was saying in his conference few weeks back. You can use AI to find the clip. We reviewed one of John CRA uh Kramer's wormhole conference or press uh presentation and the question at the end they talk about we can't have overlapping wormholes. If we have overlapping wormholes the wormholes are going to explode because they would allow you to cheat time and go back in time from before you started. Makes sense. But the reason why I'm bringing this up in the context of this new scientific paper is this. There was a side note was that you can ne you might be able to go back in time, but you can only go back in time into the point in which the first wormhole was created. In fact, does Eric Davis say that in this clip? He might. So, if you think about that, that does kind of make sense. You might say if you need a sender and a receiver, then you can only do retrocausality when you first figure out that retrocausality is possible and you build a time machine to receive signals from the future and then the people in the future start sending you information from the future to the past. That actually is the only way that it makes sense in my mind for it to be possible. Now, I don't know if that's going to end up being the case, but currently that's my understanding. So, I just wanted to throw that out there. Now, the reason why we're going so hard on these UFO people is A, they're hiding free energy, and B, they're still hiding free energy. Nobody wants this stuff to come out. Let's be clear. No one wants free energy to come out except for me and except for all of you. We're the people that want free energy to come out. All those people want to hide it for national security, whatever other reasons. This UAP luring council, I'm pretty sure that it's his official name. It's named after the Minnesota scam um place because it's the same thing. It's not going to accomplish anything. If that's where your hope is, just give up now. It's all over. Give up now. It's all over. The reason being is simple. They're looking for more data. They want to analyze and try to figure out what this UFO thing is. You have to be completely brain dead. completely brain dead. No conscience, no conscience whatsoever. No consciousness whatsoever. If you believe that the United States government doesn't know exactly what the UFOs are, if they don't know how the UFOs fly, how they get around, the moment there's a UFO flying around in the sky in American airspace and we don't know what it is and we don't recognize that technology, you better believe they would have put the highest priority into figuring out what it is and how it works. And they did like a long long ass time ago. a long time ago and they've been lying about it ever since. This is the main rub of all of this. How dare you come to me with your hand out about we're sorry. Oh, we're so sorry. We'll tell you about the aliens we've been hiding for 40, 50 years. Shove your aliens back straight up your candy ass and go ahead and start telling me about your teleportation technologies. I'm staring at a Boeing trip 7 getting teleported out of the sky that I watched on CNN for months about CNN. Maybe tomorrow we'll find the plane. And then five searches in the ocean. Five, not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, at least five that we know about. Searches in the ocean that also find nothing. Stop [snorts] gaslighting me about the videos are video games. The videos of that missing plane and the militaries happening. They're video games. Somebody hoaxed it. Stop gaslighting me. Stop gaslighting me about We don't know where the plane went. Uh, it could be anywhere. Just tell the truth. Holy [ __ ] Just tell the truth. What are we doing here? You guys are making me do this to you. Lu Alzando, Hal Pudof, even Ross Khart who's now like I guess having a change of heart or something. What's going on with Ross Khart? All of a sudden he's just stabbing Lou in the back now. He's like, "Okay, I'm sick of lying for them. I'm going to start telling the truth." Ross Colart. Deep State Ross. Jesus. [clears throat] Okay, let's get to it. Here's a clip. First of all, before we get to that, this [ __ ] is just the funniest clip ever. I gotta play this. I feel bad for this poor guy that we're just destroying, but then I just kind of don't as well because they appointed him to the UAP luring council. This is our This is our hope. This is our great white hope chat. Here we go. We're going to figure out those UFOs. Here we go. I'd like to take this one since I have a a TED talk on it, which I'm very proud to say has probably um as as much views as as uh as people much more famous than me. Holy [ __ ] I'm Are you kidding me right now? Uh excuse me. I'd like to uh take this uh here a question cuz I have a TED talk that I did and uh yeah, it's got more it's got a lot of views on it. It's a misfit cast of losers who have no chance of ever understanding this stuff. And Eric Davis is about to literally rip this man's soul directly from his body. >> Rich Hawkman, can I interject here? This is Eric Davis. >> Go ahead, Eric. >> Uh Matt, that was good, but most of what you said was technically incorrect. backward or time travel is possible. However, you're limited only in going backwards in time to the point at which you turn the time machine on. Secondly, exotic matter is already created in the laboratory. It's called the Casmir vacuum energy. And we also have proof from Matt Vizer's paper that he demonstrated that the present day values of the cosmological parameters can only be possible uh if there is exotic matter somewhere in the universe. >> Boom. Boom. Gotcha, [ __ ] [sighs] >> Oh my god, chat. Oh my god. The clip came out even better than I could have ever possibly imagined. Uh, possibly my favorite clip on the internet. I don't know how many views that has, but if it has less than a million views, it has way, way, [laughter] way too few. That was just brutal. That is And honestly, not even just a shot to that guy, but a shot to every Redditor out there. Every actually, you know what? I'm the expert on this thing here. I just became the expert. Don't you know about my experience? And then holy [ __ ] black project engineer Eric Davis comes out. That's shows this Mike Tyson. That's Mike Tyson coming out and just six seconds into the fight, good night. Knocked him out. Holy [ __ ] you're done. Shows why he's the goat. And this is why I have to point out he is Hal Pudolf's rightand man since we're stating just like really obvious things for our slow friends in the UFO community. They're very slow. They're catching on, guys. Eric Davis. Hal Pudof hired Eric Davis because he's the world's leading expert on wormholes. You get it? That's pretty weird. Oh, and now we're watching a plane get teleported out of the sky by some split spinning plasma balls. And we're listening to a literal encyclopedia of every wormhole paper that's ever existed. And the man can explain not only how negative energy works, but how we're producing it in the lab. In the lab while you're listening to the Avi Lobes of the world go, we don't know that. How do these UFOs fly? It's so quirky. Cutting Eric Davis off while he's explaining negative energy going, "Yeah, but that's just made up. That's just imaginary. That's Harry Potter ma magic. Stop that. Stop thinking about that. Dude. Okay, first clip Ross or uh the response, [snorts] man. UFO community, a lot of drama and I am enjoying it. Actually, before the response, it' probably be better to play these in the opposite order, but hold on. Maybe we should. No, no, let's play them in this way. of it was that >> Matt Ford. Matt Ford. Shout out to Matt Ford chat. I liked Matt Ford. I always liked him. He's kind of nerdy, kind of dorky. This is exactly what I want in my UFO anchor man. Prototypical. Boom. He don't like me cuz he's a lib and I try to be nice to him. I think I introduce myself to him. I like him and I think he wants to do the right thing. He just got too much of that COVID brainwashing still working around there to realize like, oh [ __ ] all these dudes I'm interviewing, they're the ones hiding all this [ __ ] So, here we go. Watch this though. This is good. >> So, so my understanding of it was that it was in ATIP in in certain aspects of it were to essentially you had factions within the legacy program. factions that felt, you know, we need to let some of this out. And part of one of the elements of ATIP was to sort of peel away some of the the the layers of the onion, but this was done in coordination with the Obama administration. This was part of part of uh a something that came out of out of the National Security Council, >> bro. Okay, guys, you guys need to be waking the [ __ ] up here. These UFO people, they don't even know what the [ __ ] they found. These people don't even know what they found. Chat, this we can basically lay out the framework of several special access programs. The OAP ATIP, these were real programs. These people were running these programs and they admit they were working on alien physics, alien technology. Do you want to know another one of the programs? Kona Blue was one of the follow-up programs. We can just go like boom boom boom. And we've got multiple UFO programs. And now the question would be if there's if they have this secret technology, who's is there another secret group of UFO researchers and and physicists out there that we don't know about? No, it's these exact guys. These are the ones. They must have just worked on other unagnowledged special access programs and those ones were to make this [ __ ] and those are not talked about. It's like not only because that's the most logical thing. First thing you do is hey, how do those UFOs work? Okay, we figured that out. Let's go build it. That's what you do. Let's go build it. Now, the UFO technology. So, that's why this is important because these people have found straight up diamonds and they're thinking it's just coal. They're just they're throwing the diamonds out. They're thinking they're just useless rocks. And I'm going, "Dude, you Whoa. Pick those back up. Pick those durs back up, chat. We want those Defense Intelligence reference documents, chat. Where are my Bibles? Yo, give me some more scientific papers. What are we doing here? There's no aliens in these these people. They hate them because there's no aliens in these papers. But the papers have all the answers to the questions. >> Uh and in particular, James uh James Clapper. Uh >> okay. Okay. Okay. And Obama was trying to reveal this. This is the big thing they told on themselves. Pay attention. Classes in session. These [ __ ] told on themselves. They were like, "We've been hiding this so long. We want to let some of it out." And they've been so successful brainwashing people hiding it. They're like, "Okay, here you go. You can have you can have a know about the aliens." Like, "What the hell? Are you kidding me?" They admit it. Cuz why else would you be like, "Hey, time to reveal some of this." I mean, if you're worried people are going to catch up, you're never going to reveal any of it. The reality is we won. United States controls the planet. How do I know that? How do I know the United States has doomsday? We have a bomb that can destroy the whole planet. Nobody can stop us. Because when we went to Iran, Russia and China didn't do anything. If they had the zero point energy technology, teleportation technology, Russia and China would have stepped in. But they don't, so they're cooked. We already built the bomb that can blow up the whole planet. That's why we control the planet. Okay. Oh, and James [ __ ] Clapper and the National Security Council. These are the people that know about MH370. Exactly. These people, why are people not listening to what I'm saying? Obama's National Security Council, they were the ones that would have had to known about the operation. That's exactly where it goes. Ask AI. Oh, we did. If we ran an operation, I'm interested in zero. Who would have gone up to? Probably joint special operations command and Obama's international national security council. This is also the one that is revealing the UFO technology and running the programs. I mean, there it is. That's it. And you're gonna have Dylan Borland go, Ashton's just accidentally figuring this out. Dude, no. That's why those videos are real because they lay out everything they're hiding that we we now put all the puzzle pieces together in terms of the history except for the ancient history of where it comes from, which I just don't care about. Sure, we got it from aliens, whatever. I don't give a crap. So, can you speak to that? And and again, were you ever or are you part of the legacy program? >> Well, I I worked with Jim Clapper. >> What the actual [ __ ] Matt Ford just asks him straight up if he's in the legacy program. His first response is, "Well, I worked with James Clapper." Okay, dude. Okay, dude. If Lu Alzando gets appointed, some uh UAPs are I'm just marching on Washington. I'm quitting my job. We're marching on Washington. Hunger strike. I don't even know. We'll come up with something. >> Actually, I worked for Jim Clapper, as a lot of people know, uh when he was under secretary of defense for intelligence after he was the director there at DIA, but before he was the director of national intelligence. Um and I can't speak for for for Jim. um he would have to answer that to you. But I'll tell you, at least when he was uh when I spoke to him, he was very happy. Um and that we had a a UAP, >> bro. Let me just pause here for a second. We're like 40 seconds into his response. I don't even remember what the [ __ ] question was. This is how you know he's a trained operative. The question was, "Are you in the legacy program?" And for the last 30 seconds, you've been talking about James Clapper and when you knew J. What are you talking about, dude? Is this like uh some of Freudian [ __ ] going on here where like James Clapper was running it and now you got to talk James Clapper? Like, and I need you guys to see through this. When you watch me and you see me unfiltered like this, this is how a normal human being talks, who's not really afraid of being exposed for my secrets. gonna find out my secret delicious love for grapefruits chat. This is how people talk when they're hiding [ __ ] Why are we going to these people for the truth when they're just literally hiding stuff openly program um in in the department? Um now that doesn't mean anything if you ask him now. He may be think otherwise. Uh but that's certainly up to director former director Clapper to to to opine about. Um as far as where this comes from from Obama, um I never sat with Obama specifically about this topic uh or or this any other topic. I my my my entree point was through the National Security Council for the programs that I was running um in the special access world. >> What? [snorts] Okay. Burn this burn this witch, chat. Burn this witch at the stake. Uh, normally I'm against uh Salem witch witch hunts, but we found a real witch here, chat. 100% sure we found this is an exception. We found a real witch. We got the rare real witch here. He was working under Obama's National Security Council on special access programs. I mean, he's a counterintel guy. He's not a physicist. He's not an engineer. This is why like if you want to break an NPC's mind, you tell them what was Luzando's job in the special access program. He was applying his counter intelligence skills to the UFO community. How what was he doing? How is he applying his counter intelligence skills as part of the special access programs? I swear if he comes out and admits that he was actually destroying people's lives, covering this up, like leading groups that were like, you know, lying on the internet and [ __ ] Like one person, it's possible that Joseph Marinelo, King Milkfart, it's possible that Luando is literally his troll. That would be crazy if that ended up being true and got his record expuned. If some craziness like that ends up being true, which is just speculation, pure speculation, then this is this dude needs a burn. This is the kind of stuff too where like they convince themselves they're the good guys while they're just doing evil [ __ ] non-stop and then they do this kind of stuff where it's just like a struggle session where it's like a pity party where they've done so much evil [ __ ] and they and their their guilty conscience is so full that they're like well they want to tell you a little bit of truth and then they want you to look at them like they're a good person when in reality you're just complete monster aren't you? You're just complete monster aren't you? Um unfortunately I probably wouldn't be able to elaborate too much on how that relationship works. Um there is an established channel of communication that was between my office and and that office. Uh but much beyond that I wouldn't be able to really provide any any fidelity to um you know we especially not just with classified information but special access programs there's a huge sensitivity there and especially when you're talking about SAPs in some cases and by the way I'm not saying this is one of them um if they're unagnowledged right that's that's even that's even more sensitive so um boy I don't know how to answer that question it's a good question um so that's your answer to the question of are you in a are you in the legacy program is a long rant about James Clapper and then special access programs under Obama and the National Security Council and then specifically a whole little side reference about unagnowledged special access programs. Okay, he was definitely in what the legacy program they're just using as an umbrella term for this legacy program of UFO alien technology that has been passed down through the generations to where we're at now in 2026. Basically, boomers messed us up. Boomers messed up literally everything. And they messed up the alien technology, UFO technology, teleportation, whatever Tesla technology, whatever your vibe is. Shout out to my boy Woke Societies in the pill chat. I've been watching his content. A lot of crossover with our content. Hope you guys are enjoy the show here tonight. Now, that was Lu Alzando crying like a little baby. No, wait. This is the part where he cries like a little baby. Uh, so the followup, Rosart called him out. And the reason why it's significant is not that it's a new revelation. Everybody was already suspecting that Lu Alzando is I mean, deep in this. I mean, just again ask the basic question. What was Lu Alzando doing for these special access programs? What was he doing for ATIP? What was he doing for Kona Blue if he was involved in? He wasn't doing physics. Contrary to what he says, he's not a science guy. So, here's his followup. And I want to point out something else. If I someone accuses me of something, I don't have the luxury of going on mainstream television to respond. Hey, hey, somebody said some [ __ ] about me. Can you put me on mainstream TV so I can go respond? Like, this is the most orchestrated crap you could ever imagine. Why? Because if I go on there, you're going to hear some stuff that you're not going to hear anywhere else. And when you look into it, you're going to go, "Oh, wow. This this this might be real. Thank you for those uh cookies, guys. Appreciate you guys in the build chat. You guys are popping off. Okay, where is it? Here it is. Lou Alzando, Kolhart. Some say Lou was part of the coverup. Uh yeah, of course he was. That look right there kind of says it all, doesn't it? Chris Como was Chris Como of all people, chat. Chris Como was not even buying Lu Alzando's shtick here. Here we go. >> Look, I I think Ross is an excellent investigative journalist. I personally I I like him. I think he's done tremendous work for disclosure and where we are today in the conversation. Um I find it interesting that just weeks ago, uh according to someone's social media, I had nothing to do with the UFO program or the Pentagon or ATIP. And now, uh, apparently I ran everything involving UFOs and, uh, and the legacy program. So, uh, I don't know exactly where Ross is getting his information. Um, I suspect he has sources. Um, really, that's what what that's the dirtiest response ever. [laughter] You're like, what you do? Oh, he's a great journalist, but like you're presenting that like he's presenting some He's a good He just got this one wrong. He's a great journalist. Uh then he he presents the lie too. The lie of uh people were now people were saying I was wasn't even part of a tip. Now they're saying I was leading the whole legacy program. No, no one was saying you leading the legacy program. What where's that even coming from? No one is saying that. But this is how you exaggerate it because it's true, right? He was part of this secret UFO coverup program and he was almost certainly disinformation for it because that's what his job is. But this is his response. He's like, "Oh, I'm sure Ross has sources." Yes, that's how sources work, man. You have them and they tell you things. I'm sure he has sources. He doesn't even follow up to that. He just says, "I'm sure he has sources." And then just rambles in a different direction. >> Not really my concern. I've always had a lot of respect for Ross. For me, any chance I get to talk about disclosure and transparency, look, I've dedicated the last 10 years of my life, uh, being forthcoming with the American people about uh, the reality of of UAP. You >> Chad Chad, I'm hearing a lot of words. There's a lot of words coming out of Louisando's mouth here. None of them are denials. None of their denials. Look, look, I was a criminal for 20, 30 years, but I spent the last 10 years being a shill on TV. Doesn't that absolve me a little bit? I'm still lying right now. Still lying literally right now. But hey, I I love talking about disclosure even when I get called out by Ross Khart. My goodness, chat. This might be worse than 911. Might even be worse. Oh my goodness. >> UFOs. In fact, one only has to look at my resignation memo for the record that I wrote to uh Secretary Mattis, James Mattis at the time. Um, you know, I've I've committed myself to transparency to the degree that I could. Um, it is true that I had >> That's the space. >> That's the space, Lou. Right, >> Chad. Chad. [laughter] Chad. When Chris Como is calling you out midsentence, catching you out on your lie mids sentence, just hang it up. hang it up. You've been got, man. You've been made. They figured you out. Chris Como of all people. This might be his first ever good take in the history of the world. Brutal. Brutal chat. Um because up till that point, I think Ross would agree with everything you just said until right here. But you were in the legacy program. You've never really talked about it. Is that because you >> just calls him out? Just calls him out. Says you were in the legacy program. You never really talked about it. Uh is that because you're [ __ ] disinformation? Yes. Like you guys, they want us to listen to them. They want us to give them amnesty and immunity. They're literally giving themselves awards. Literally. I'm working on it, chat. I'm working on it. First things first, start telling the truth. My goodness. Tell the truth. You were in some secret UFO program. Okay, dude. If they kill you over that, you know what? It's probably Think about how good that would be for humanity. You get to be some weird martyr. Humanity gets to figure out that we got secret alien technology. Just be like, "Yeah, I was in a secret UFO program." Oh my goodness. I don't know why all the hand ringing over this. Oh, I signed a piece of paper. Okay, man. You know what? Like, if you're not willing to risk your life for this, I question your commitment to Sparkle Motion. I question your commitment to Sparkle Motion. Little Alzando chat. Donnie Darko reference >> can't. And if you can't, do you think it's fair of Ross to say, "Well, then you still should." >> Yeah. Well, first of all, I didn't say I was part of the legacy program. And let me make this clear too, Chris, and I'm sure you can appreciate this. When you work for the government and you have a security clearance, um there's always these statements, you know, we cannot confirm or deny. And people always take that as some sort of implicit yes. But the reality is that's not at all what that means. Um there are classified programs out there. Uh and if someone were to ask me, Lou, were you part of um I don't know. >> Stop. Actually, stop stop the cap. I'm not even listening to any more of this. He's trying to he's trying to glow the middle of an interview. Like, look, just because I can't deny it legally for legal reasons, doesn't mean that it's true. Yes, it does, dude. If you're not in a secret alien reverse engineering program, you can just say you're not in a secret alien. You can be like, I have no [ __ ] clue what you're talking about because that's the truth. You're not in a secret alien program. You just say, I don't know. This is why glow Mars are so significant. Yes. This is why it is significant. This is why when the the spooks try to gaslight you and they be like, "Oh, just cuz we said we can't confirm or deny it doesn't mean that it's real." Yes, it does. If you don't have a Boeing trip 7 fire suppression bottle that washed up in the Maldes on March 25th, if you don't have anything about that, you just say you don't have anything about that. If you do, then the reason is because you [ __ ] teleported an airplane and the evidence was crashing on around it, you know? It's it's really it's black and white. There's not really shades of gray. So, that's Lu Alzando trying to deny that he was in this legacy program. Ultimately, whatever. Who cares? I care because they're lying. What I really care about, though, is science. No. Where do I have it? Here we go. So, tonight we're going to take a look at this video. Thank you guys for the donos, by the way. I appreciate those. We're going to go through those at the end. God, hopefully there's not a thousand of them. Um, hopefully there's not too many people supporting me. You know what? We're not even going to play the Avi Lo parts because I'll just tell you what Avi Lo said here. I'll just help you guys out that blah blah blah. We need more sensors and more data. and I'm so happy this happened. Blah blah blah. Okay, great, great, great contributions, Obby. Let's get to Hal Pudof. He's the one that we're here for. [laughter] Okay, UAP Gerb. And you know what? [clears throat] I'm going to say more about him. I have a new updated opinion on UAP Gerb. I'll be honest with you guys, I hadn't really watched much of his stuff. I like him. I like him. Not for me. He's not a match for me, chat. I'm swiping whatever direction you swipe to go away from somebody. I actually don't even know because I don't do that stuff. I'm swiping the other direction. But you know what? He's a good match. Hold on, let me move this. He's a perfect match for Congressman Berles. I want Congressman Berles to swipe into UIP Gerb chat. Why? Because he's the perfect He's the perfect representative for woke disclosure. Perfect representative. And I I mean this in all the best ways. He's very well informed. He knows where the bodies are buried. He's articulate. And he knows how to ask a direct pointed question. Look, chat, people say I'm a piece of [ __ ] They say I'm an [ __ ] And they're not wrong. But I'm fair. I'm fair. I'm fair to Matt Ford. I'm fair to UAP Gerber. I don't mind if you're a libtard. We can still be friends. That's fine. It's them that don't want to talk to me, right? They bring up good points. I watch their content. I support their stuff. They're the ones that just have the hater aid problem. Anyway, UAP Gerb, I want you to impress. I just talked I just straight up built Brasi to him. Now you better deliver here. UAP Gerb for the people. [clears throat] Okay, here we go. >> He says we haven't gotten like the smoking gun videos or evidence yet, >> right? So, of course, I'm on the Fresh Freedom podcast. I'm not just blowing smoke here. Um, but I think the the files in the videos pale in comparison to the disclosure efforts out of your office by yourself and David Grush. I think the legal interrogatives uh sent to the MITER Corporation, uh, MIT Lincoln Labs, cabinet level agencies and services are far more effective in pursuit of disclosure. And as we kind of Okay. Okay. UAP Gerb [laughter] you had my curiosity and now you have my undivided attention. So let this man cook. You know what? I might not even agree with what he's doing. I don't even care. Just let the man cook here. Let's see what he can do. Certainly can't hurt our efforts. I've seen of late. Um, these interrogatives are likely leading to a domino effect of of discovering other records, other materials within other private companies, semi-private companies. So, I really admire the pursuit that you and Mr. Gush are doing. And I think if there's an avenue to disclosure, it is through these legal interrogatives. Uh, especially with the file release, we're probably going to run into some trouble with Department of Energy held records. And I'd love to talk with you about that as well during this, Dr. Putoff. But, uh, the the the fall of the dominoes with the legal interrogator. >> Hey, okay. Yeah, I like him a little bit more. Yeah. Okay. >> Gives us something special and um I commend you for having the guts to go after the MITER Corporation. >> Thank Well, thank you. [laughter] Um I want So go ahead go into detail about the how that there's an aspect of the Department of Energy that we may have a difficult time getting information out of. >> Oh, sure. So maybe we could talk about this, Dr. Poff. Um and I say this because today at the UAPDF event, you stated if you revealed everything you knew about the subject, you would go to jail. Um so I'm going to take that as a [clears throat] >> Okay. Yeah, this is my kind of stuff. This is what I like. We're firing on all cylinders. I'm already here in Department of Energy. This is already I can tell this is scripted as [ __ ] This is exactly what I want. Chat, you might be say, Ashton, why are you listening to this [ __ ] slop? I keep telling you this is the best [ __ ] Are you guys going to make me play the clip? You're going to make me play the clip. Okay, hold on, chat. Look at this. This is your fault, chat. Uh, is it this one? You want justice? You've come to the wrong place. I disagree. >> I disagree. >> I've come to the perfect place. I want to bring those who have wronged me to justice. And all those who have wronged me are right here. >> Boom, chat. All those who have wronged me are right here. Chat, I hope Hal Pudof is listening. Chat, why did you forsake me, Hal Pudof? You were the chosen one. You were the one that I wanted to be my hero. You never reached out to me about the MH370 videos. reached out to every other weirdo ass alien person and person who has a theory about zero point energy. But Ashton Forbes, he gets nothing. He gets oneword response emails. He gets told, "I don't know about fusion bombs. Why did you forsake me, Halpudaf?" The Godfather chat. He's cast me out. Will you say I am spiteful? I am vindictive. You better damn believe I am. The number one zero point energy godfather won't even look in my direction. Won't even say my name. I'm nothing to him. I have all kinds of daddy issues. Okay, here we go. That's enough. I mean you may have worked in a specific national program capacity on such projects of exotic or technologies of unknown origins. So maybe we could spitball about this. Um would you share the kind of same idea or a different idea that the Department of Energy would be a really good place to hide exotic materials, anomalous materials because of the statutory authority that the Department of Energy is subject to, which is completely different than the standard executive order based classification system that exists within the DoD. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down, homeboy. Hold up, bro. your script is. I didn't know you were just going to be dropping truth nukes in the middle of your script here. It's like, oh, turns out Department of Energy has a completely different classification process. Way more strict, not even like reviewable at FOYA. Okay. Whoa. So, how much secret [ __ ] have we been hiding in the Department of Energy? We hiding some magic fusion orbs in the Department of Energy? Because I'm actually just wondering here, are these guys going to get to these orbs? Is that what this is going to lead to? Is they're going to figure out that, oh crap, we figure out fusion. It wouldn't surprise me this is buried somewhere in the Department of Energy. Certainly makes sense when we're looking at plasma fusion or particle accelerators that aren't supposed to exist. Seems like a good spot. Okay, let's see how the goat now chat [clears throat] pro. If you're unfamiliar with my man Pudaf, you might say, "Oh, he's cooked." Normal people be like, "Put off is cooked here. He's he's going against UAB Gerb. Gerb's got his facts ready. He's already got his script ready to go with his questions. Do never never underestimate the ZPE goat chat. You can't corner him. There's no getting information out of him that you want. He's got packaged stories in his head already ready to go. He's not even listening to your question. He maybe heard like two of the words out of 10. He was already thinking in his mind, which story am I going to tell him in response to this and ignore his question entirely. Here we go. >> That's that's true. And uh since they have their own uh security system, which does not fall into the usual uh Pentagon and DoD uh security apparatus, uh that really has to be pursued separately. And uh I've seen some of your podcasts. So actually glad to see that you're pursuing that that that option. Yeah. So whether it's information >> praises him, talks him up, butters him up a little bit, >> protected under broad and liberal interpretations of the 1954 atomic energy agreement, special nuclear material, transclassified foreign nuclear information, which comes later, restricted data, formerly restricted data. How do we crack into that? >> Well, that's that that's that's tough. Uh, when I >> Holy [laughter] [ __ ] Oh, I like this guy. Chad, he said the N word. He said the N word, chat, cancel UAP Gerb right now. Actually, you know what? We're giving UAP Gerb the N-word pass. It's official. Four orbs has been G has given UAP GB the nword pass. He can say nuclear as many times as he wants. Keep it rolling, sir. >> Consider some of the things that we did in the ATIP program. I was a senior scientist uh you know for Bigalow Aerospace on looking at uh what was happening out of the DIA funded uh program and so [clears throat] we interacted uh mostly with aerospace corporations and so they had arranged to get uh access to materials and so on which they handled under IRAD. >> So in [clears throat] fact uh they were not accessible by FOIA and therefore uh you know that that was a problem. So in that program uh as we tried to dig out some of the stuff that's when we saw that the compartmentalization in the stove piping was just so far off the charts that you sort of weren't going to get anywhere with that. So in fact one of the things that I was responsible for was that okay suppose we had gotten access to all of this uh pieces of material and so on that they had uh what would we do with it? We would uh try to declassify it to a level where we could send it out to scientists all over the world, the top people in whatever materials or you know various forms of propulsion and so on. >> Okay, the story we're being told here now I told you he was going to tell us a story. He comes out and says, "I was part of these programs and somehow we knew this stuff existed and we were trying to get crash pieces of UFOs is what this he's not saying it explicitly. This is like Candace Owens not saying that she's implying Erica Kirk killed her husband. Not saying it directly, just saying we're trying to get materials and then we're going to give it to scientists and they're going to figure it out. Okay, knowing what we know about a plane being teleported, I'm already not even believing the premise here. Why? Why would you give it out to public? That makes no sense at all. Well, to figure it out, we can't figure it out. You already have the brightest minds. What are you talking about here? Uh but since we couldn't get access because of the compartmentalization, I mean they they tried hard because they were not making progress because they couldn't get access to any good scientists which is I'm so glad to see what Avlo is doing now. Uh and then [gasps and laughter] chat what a lobe chat that's what his new name is from now on. Avo lies straight to Av Lobe's face says we didn't have access to good scientists. We needed good scientists like Av Lobe. We needed the guy that thought that the the space rock was a super advanced alien mother ship. That was what we were missing this whole time. That's what we needed. A a Lobo, good job. So glad we got you on the team. Baby Lope, you're going to figure out the UFOs. This guy is I guarantee you Avi is falling for this. Avi thinks that he has been pre-ordained by down. He probably thinks that the Heavenly Mother has came down and blessed him. He's going to be the one to reveal the alien technology. He doesn't realize he's just being used like an absolute fool right here. [laughter] Unbelievable. Howal Pudaf, you monster. How Pudaf, you sick monster. Dude, that's the guy hiding it, telling Avi Lobe. Yeah, we we needed you. Jesus Christ, chat. I can't believe this. I can't believe this. This I feel like I'm in an alternate [ __ ] dimension right now. This can't be real life. [laughter] I got to listen to it again. I got to listen to it again. I can't believe it's real. Let me hear it again. >> Declassify it to a level where we could send it out to scientists all over the world, top people in whatever materials or, you know, various forms of propulsion and so on. >> But since we couldn't get access because of the compartmentalization, I mean, they they tried hard because they were not making progress because they couldn't get access to any good scientists, which is I'm so glad to see what a Lobo is doing now. Uh, and that he has that opportunity. So anyway, uh I sat there and said to myself, "Okay, well suppose I had gotten access to who would I send this materials to if we could get them downgraded." So we made up a list of people who are tops in their field. >> Wait, wait, wait. Pause chat. Monka s chat. Is he Is he about to say what I think he's about to say right here? >> Okay, wait. He just said, "So, we went to the top people that we knew in their field, aka the black project engineers, anything that would have to do with >> well, here >> because they couldn't get access to any good scientists, which is I'm so glad to see what Avlo is doing now." Uh, and that he has that opportunity. So, anyway, uh, I sat there and said to myself, okay, well, suppose I had gotten access, who would I send this materials to if we could get them downgraded? So we made up a list of people who were tops in their field for anything that would have to do with these exotic kinds of technologies. And so I just went to them and actually I commissioned I think it was 36 papers from leading experts all over the world asking them uh saying I was just doing a survey for Bigalow Aerospace. Where were your uh area of expertise be by the year 2050? I didn't tell them it had anything to do with quote ETSs or UAPs or whatever. And so we got back some fantastic uh papers and they were all put up on a classified uh website, Jaywick's website. But by >> Bro, that's the dirds, dude. That's the defense intelligence reference documents. Okay, here's the problem. Now he's going, "Oh, well, we didn't have the scientists, so I went to all my people. We know those people. Spoiler alert, already hunted down all the authors. That was one of the first things I did. I'm starting reading these papers. It's like teleportation, wormholes, warp drives, extracting quantum energy, fusion propulsion, negative mass propulsion, EPR, space-time teleportation, invisibility, meta materials, gravity for communications. I've read well over a dozen of them. Well over a dozen of them. And they're thick, chat. Thicker than the thick whites, those papers. And I'm sitting here thinking, these are the best people. Who else would you ever go to? You're not going to Avi Lobo to tell you how to do a negative mass propulsion fusion reactor. What the [ __ ] are you talking about right now? And this is why I'm convinced it it has to be Hal Puda in the coverup. He has to be in the legacy program. Not even an option for him to not be in the legacy program. How did he know all those authors? Those are all the people going on Stephen Greer in the early 2000s saying we're hiding free energy and zero point energy. It's the authors of the Dirds. Paul says, go watch his interview on on uh Steven Greer. What the hell are we doing here? It's multiple authors of the dense plasma focus. George Miley, inertial electrostatic confined fusion. Okay, let's get the followup here. This is actually gets really good for the next like little while. >> Now, most of those uh papers have uh been released through FOIA. So, there's a lot of good data in there. In some of the cases, we got really great papers from people who we knew were involved in the legacy program. Anyway, so anyway, that was really quite a, you know, a find. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you just, did you guys hear what I just heard? We got papers from people that were involved in the legacy program. Say it again for me, boss. were all put up on a classified uh website, Jaywick's website, but by now most of those uh papers have uh been released through FOIA. So there's a lot of good data in there and some [clears throat] of the cases we got really great papers from people who we knew were involved in the legacy program. Anyway, so anyway, that was really quite a a find a catch. >> This is your podcaster, but I think this is a pretty monumental opportunity for some like transparency and more information on this topic. So, if you don't mind, I'd love to ask a few questions just about that. >> Yeah. So, we have you on here. >> You're talking about the Kona Blue um Department of Homeland Security perspect. >> Okay. What the [ __ ] dude? That's not a follow-up to those questions. He just told you the authors were in the legacy. Which ones? George Miley? Is it George Miley? Chat, just put off blink twice if it's George Miley. Blink twice if it's Paul Sizz's fusion reactor aerospace concept where he used he worked with David Frron and they made some hyperspace [ __ ] Just tell me if the dense plasma focus at the black project engineers chat. I swear if Dylan Borland comes to me again and says you accidentally figured this out. No I [ __ ] did not chat. [laughter] the dense plasma. It just happens to be the authors of the dirds that were in the legacy program. Also happen to be the authors of the papers that I've been screaming at are the [ __ ] that they figured out. We might be so far over the target is just awkward at this point. Here we go. Kona Blue. Now, Kona Blue is not this interesting. Kona Blue is the follow-up program to the ATIP. These are real programs, real special access programs, and they were studying space-time manipulation. They were studying the same exact physics that we've been reviewing. So, we know they had these programs studying this. The part that's not been revealed is that we have programs that were building it. And if you're gonna go build this technology, who are you gonna go to? Are you going to go to some random Joe on the street be like, "Yo, build me some alien technology." No, you're going to go to the same people that were studying it, the same exact people. Effective special access material transfer. Correct. >> Well, that was uh at the end of it following on, right? >> And was there was there initial effort in 2008 that was stonewalled by um Clapper or other officials that were senior in the USDI? There were several attempts to um divest materials to the OSAP or to Bass. >> It's complicated. Uh actually Senator Harry Reid who was a majority uh leader at the time, majority senator had set up the next part of funding that were supposed to go forward as part of OAP. But because the money was for this very SAP originally just TSSCI kind of program u the language that went into the congressional uh you know beef up of the fun just said well it's for aerospace uh investigations and that kind of stuff. So actually what happened was that it was supposed to come down through a particular chain of command and as it came down um the person who knew what it was really for and was going to then give it off to the OAL program happened to be off on a trip someplace and so uh somebody else in his office saw it and said, "Oh, it's just general aerospace stuff. Oh yeah, we we do aerospace." So so they they snatched the money and so then the program got chopped off for that reason. And so then the question was, "Okay, well do we say, "No, no, wait a minute. That's not what this money was for." But then you would reveal what the program was all about which at that time was absolutely forbidden to do. So that's why suddenly uh the program got cut off right in the middle. So we searched around and that's when we ended up uh going to >> So [clears throat] the question was was there a blocking of alien technology that they were trying to achieve which I think is publicly well known and pudaf it's complicated like it's a Facebook status out here. It's a Facebook status out here chat. It's complicated. We might be sleeping around. We might have some uh situationships going on. Not really sure. Um that's pretty much it. It is complicated. This guy's got to be like at the top. I can't imagine somebody hired him. If there is somebody hiring him, more secret, more spooky, more more spoky man, then he knows exactly who they are. That's him right there. Boom. He's about to reveal though, actually, who who blocked it, which is interesting. Here we go. DHS and uh now it's it's known that you know we're going to do it at an SAP level called Kona Blue. But that that that went along we we spent well for one thing we talked about it now we're going to do it at an SAP level when I tell you guys that special operators can recognize the videos because you won't even have to necessarily recognize the surveillance. You can recognize the scene. You can recognize situations about how a special operation plays out. When somebody come comes on and says, "Well, now we're going to do this program at the special access level." You're like th you're a little you're wellversed in how it plays out. This isn't your first rodeo. This is like your 50th special access program. Somebody who's just getting their first special access program is like, "Shit, I I got to be in a special access program." Somebody this wellestablished in the system is the person running the system. This is like the architect. This is like Sword Art Online where the guy that leads the guild that fights against the monsters to break them out ends up being the jailer. Ends up being the architect hiding it the whole time. He wants to play along with the people. He wants to be part of the disclosure and the whole puppet show that he himself is orchestrating. That's what this is. >> At least I'd say two years, we generated our program plans that would go from the floor to the ceiling. It was tremendous enthusiasm from their DDS&T, from their security people. I mean, that that was really going to be the winning. >> He just said DS&T. He just said DS&T, Directorate of Science and Technology in the CIA. What did he just say there? I need to go back a second. Okay, I got start paying attention. >> Then that's when we ended up uh going to DHS and uh now it's known that you know we're going to do it at an SAP level called Kona Blue. >> Okay, >> but that that that went along we we spent well for one thing we we spent at least I'd say two years we generated our program plans that would go from the floor to the ceiling. It was tremendous enthusiasm from their DDS&T from their security people. I mean that that was really going to be the winning program. And of course from our standpoint we said well defending homeland security. Well we should definitely be defending homeland security from UAP. Uh [clears throat] but at the very end uh it ran into uh some >> sounds like that was DS&T of the Department of Homeland Security. Interesting >> uh pressure against not funding it by a couple of individuals which I don't feel like a name. >> Yeah. Glen Gaffne at the DS&T. That was earlier. That earlier that that was >> see chat. Even Gerb got that wrong. Even Gerb was mis confused there. Even Gerb thought that was CIA. No, that was Homeland Security. So the the the transfer of materials was before the Kona blue thing. This is what's crazy. We can actually build now. And I've been watching this UFO thing for several years, even a couple years before my research into MH370. And it's never really been clear. Okay, there was this ATIP things like 2008, but that okay, and then this Kona Blue thing came out, but it was never clear this was like a progression of programs with the same people behind the scenes. And that's important because it bolsters this theory that these have to be the people that figured that were literally building it. They were actually building it for the government >> earlier on trying to get uh materials out of uh the aerospace corporation >> Locky Martin space systems. >> So anyway, this this this was uh you know some somebody else uh and the Kona blue situation was a separate issue. So anyway, that got stopped and that that was the end of it. I think it's really important to find ways to move forward anyway because for example our uh as as you would know our nuclear missile sites have been shut down at least in Soviet Union a nuclear missile site was turned on and went through the countdown and almost you know we thought it was going to start World War II uh but then it got shut down. So so there are these major security issues that we really can't let just kind of sit off to the side. So, I'm really glad that the president has uh you know made the uh issue of well we we let's get more scientists involved because that's what we were missing in all of our activities of getting a lot more scientists involved because he just had a few scientists that are in the defense community and you know they're not the best scientists necessarily. >> The executive summary of what just said is the future can be better than the past. a few scientists in the defense community. You had the best scientists in the world. The Department of Energy has the best scientists. The If the government doesn't have the best scientists, they're killing them. That's how it works. Salvatore Pais might be an endangered servant from Romania for all we know. Who knows, chat? History is a mystery. That's what's so crazy. This idea that, oh, we need the information to get out. We just need more Avi Lobes. We need Neil Degrass Tyson to look at some blurry videos of plasma orbs. That'll get it. That'll solve the mystery. And you know why they want to do that? It's not just because they're evil, but also because they know the conclusion that A's about to reach. They're sewing this fake narrative. They're they're basically stringing Avi along because they know AI's going to say, "I can't tell what that is. It must be aliens. It must be aliens cuz we can't do that. We can't fly around 360s like that with plasma. We don't know about how to do that." That's what they're going to say. They didn't go to the smartest scientists. They went to the stupidest ones. They went to They didn't pick Avi Lo because he's the smartest scientist. Guarantee you that wasn't even in the criteria when they were trying to figure out who should they have be in charge of the UFO thing. The first thing they thought was we need somebody that's been on a lot of podcasts. That was their first thought. Second thought was he should be from an Ivy League school. That was it. That was it. That was all their thoughts. That was it. Why? Because they wanted somebody that people will trust and people will believe. That's all they care about. They don't care about is he smart, if he's going to solve anything. They want somebody actually who's stupid who's not going to solve anything. And they found their mark. They found their mark. Here you go. Watch this. >> Let's make it better. Can I ask so we we the president has set up this and which I can't be more happy with because when I was briefed about the event that happened recently in the western United States the military installation where they saw those plasmoid type things sitting in that room with OD and I I asked the question pause. Did he just say plasmoid type things? Did he just say plasmoid type things that he saw? [clears throat and cough] I don't do this ever, chat. So, you better pay the [ __ ] attention. [snorts] I have some information that'll blow all these [ __ ] up. And no, I'm not going to reveal it right now. I'm going to reveal it at the most opportune moment. I'm gonna pull a Candace Owens. I have some information. It's gonna blow all these [ __ ] up. These lying [ __ ] pretending like they don't know about this technology. They don't know how anyone could do all this. Talking about it's all some plasmoids. I don't know this alien technologies. And I'm not going to reveal it because I want to make them sweat. I want to make them keep lying about some [ __ ] about not having any idea how this works. that at the most opportune moment, the hammer is of justice is going to strike down these people. You have heard it here right now on July 1st, our new Independence Day. [laughter] Just kidding, though. Here we go. [ __ ] plasmoid. You kidding me, man? Say it one more time for me. Plasmoids. When I was briefed about the event that happened recently in the western United States, the military installation where they saw those plasmoid type things in sitting in that room with OD and I, I asked the question, what in the world are these things? And they said, we don't know. And I said, surely you have your top scientists looking into this. What do they say? They said, sir, we really don't. >> Exactly. >> And and I said, well, that's got to change. So, I'm really glad to see that that has changed, that they've engaged you. Can you kind of tell us about the team you've put together? >> So, um, they I had a visit. >> Tell us about your team, Avi. Tell us about the Marvel team you put together. We already clowned on one of your guys who didn't know anything about wormholes, but he did a TED talk about it, so you know he's an expert. Holy [ __ ] Wow. Brutal, guys. Okay, I'm I'm actually going to let Obby talk. This is the only time we're going to listen to him here together. >> So, um they I had a visit to my home as I often do. Most of the time it's, you know, billionaires interested in the science that I'm doing and willing to support it. But this humble bragged right off the start. I had a visit to my home. Normally billionaires are visiting my home asking to refund me and all my [ __ ] This How are people not calling this out? Where is Professor Dave chat? What? He is derelictked in his duties debunking grifters. [laughter] My dude is out here. I get so many billionaires coming and investing my alien rock theories that I don't even know. It was hard to distinguish when the government comes and calls me to the higher power chat. I don't know if we're going to make it time. It came from ODNI and um they asked if I'm willing to serve to lead science advisory council and um they got me at hello because for me I I felt just like a kid in a candy store. >> Jesus cornball cornball maximum maxing right now. Cornball maxing. My goodness. They had me at hello. Let's throw a Jerry Maguire reference. Avi, we we needed a shill that's not going to be able to solve the UFO thing. You were top of the list. You had me at. Hello. Where do I sign up? Oh my god. Um, you know, that's an opportunity of a lifetime to first serve the nation and at the very least help national security. But there is a potential bonus if because I would expect Dr. Dr. John Kazowski, the director of the all domain anomaly resolution office instead of releasing in the third branch on June 12th this report about the event that lasted two days in October. >> Okay, that's going to we're going to move on to the next part. Now, I did see a comment and Abby actually says either either they don't know what they are and they must be aliens or he's being played. And he's right. Those are the only two options. Either we don't know and there's secret aliens flying around. The United States government's completely incompetent and can't figure out what's flying around in our own skies for the last 80 years. Or you're being played like a little puppet and they do know what it is and they've been lying about it because it's free energy and they're letting a few crumbs come out. It's one of those two things for sure. Somebody asked said, "Ashen, you're expecting disclosure to be instant. It's not what I'm expecting." Actually, quite the opposite. I've publicly stated people aren't going to start believing me for another probably seven more years. It's been three years I started doing this already. Three years. And back at the beginning, I said people aren't even going to begin to believe this for at least 10 years. Just like the Bob Lazar situation where people just ignored it and then 20 years goes by, technology catches up, people's consciousness catch up, and they go, "Oh [ __ ] was that real? Was that true?" That's what will happen. But no, I'm not expecting it to be instant. What I'm expecting is the truth. I'm only expecting one thing and that's the truth. I'm telling you here exactly what these people are hiding. They are hiding the fact that they built the [ __ ] for the United States government. Built it, disinformed on it, made sure that the public didn't know it was there. That's what I'm accusing these people of directly. And they're not telling the truth right now about it. While they're claiming to be whistleblowers, nobody in the public sphere is being told free energy is real. Nobody is being told we figured out how to manipulate space time and make things teleport. When they start saying that, then we can start talking about how much evil [ __ ] did you do and do you deserve to be absolved of any of your sins? That's the truth nuke. Poor Avi absolutely being played like a little puppet here. Let's get to the good people. This I don't even think Gerb even asks him Aby a question. Let's see in the topic. So I think for the future to be better we have to learn from these sins of our past. So first I'd like to get Dr. Putoff's opinion on this and then yours Dr. low because >> exactly if we want to be better we have to learn from the sins of our past and the sins of our past are we hid physics from the world we hid an extra dimension from the world because it's infinite energy and we didn't want other people to have it that is a sin and we haven't learned from the sins of our past until we start admitting the truth >> uh myself and I'm and many others fear that the governance board and council will be a repeat of the 1953 Robertson panel in which the CIA predetermined that a certain committee was going to reduce public concern about the topic of UFOs and relegate everything to uh you know swamp gas or prosaic sightings. But on the subject of uh UFO focused activities or programs, Dr. Putoff, this has been something that has been I think purposefully u misleading the topic for a long time. Could you please touch on the differences and similarities um in in terms of just hierarchical structure, personnel program funding, etc. of the OAP versus the ATIP. >> Well, basically OAP was the program to actually try to get the answers, although it was at a at a classified level. ATIP was just kind of a follow on um semiofficial program, but not not really structured the way OAP was was structured. So he's presenting this narrative like they were trying to find the truth out about the UFOs and that they were the ones that were digging in like they were the molder in the ex files digging through the government files trying to find the truth out about the UFOs which I can see them trying to spin that story. It's a good story to spin. You know how I know it's [ __ ] You know how I know it's a 100% [ __ ] because if that was your goal and you were unsuccessful, you would have called me up on day one when those MH370 videos were on the internet. I would have had 30 followers on social media saying the future is now going viral and Hal Pudof would have been knocking on my door going dude where did you get those videos? How do you know what are those videos? Do you know those videos are showing my physics? Hal Pudaf, those videos would have been the biggest thing in Hal Pudaf's world if Hal Pudaf didn't know what the what the solution was. The reason why Hal Pudof has avoided the MH370 videos is because they prove unequivocally he's lying. There's no other secret person that had worked on all this technology. Hal Pudof is the one that wrote the scientific paper. Hal Pudof is the one that wrote ground z uh ground state of the hydrogen atom. Gravity is a zero point fluctuation force. He's the one they're referencing. There's no other secret physicist that worked for the government that did all those scientific papers on zero point energy. It's him. Not really. I mean, ATIP was sort of uh I mean, you can say there are people in the in the Pentagon um who were getting a paycheck for pursuing it, but it is isn't that there was a congressional mandate to to fund it. So, no, ATIP was not actually funded. It was those of us who once the original AAP program got shut down. Uh we nonetheless continue to collaborate uh on our own funds or whatever to try to go out and and sell this program somewhere else with Kona Blue being uh the example at DHS. So, so that that's that that was a period in which uh there was no funded program really and uh we just had support from well Bigalow aerospace and other places. Uh so that that that's how how that went. The error in in in all of that >> the Bigalow aerospace angle is also interesting. They were getting private funding from Robert Bigalow. I've been told by many people Robert Biglo is connected to this cover up this building this technology and they might have built a breakaway civilization where these guys just decided we're doing our own thing. We're taking the technology. We're making our own little civilization of it and that's how we're going to play this out. Heck, I even respect it. That's that's that that's the plan for us. We're getting this technology. Screw everybody else. Screw the fraudsters. Screw the corrupt people. Screw the low IQ people. They're screwed. You guys can just screw around on this planet. We're going to make our own little pocket universe. Peace out. >> I think it's really being changed by what uh A is doing. Uh this idea of bringing it uh into a public situation where you have scientists that are examining uh data and getting access to data that's not classified. I do not see this as another uh shutdown panel because well, for one thing, A Lobo, if he even smelled the beginnings of a shutdown activity, he would say, "I'm I'm done. I'm out of here." So, so I I think this is this is the very best uh solution. I wish we'd had that kind of solution. >> Obvious chat. Obby, you're so smart. He would if he knew he if he even smelled that he was being played, he would sniff it out. He's so smart. Aren't you're so smart, Obby? It's like his little dog. This is crazy. [laughter] Oh my god. And this is how they play it out, right? Like you pretend like you have no idea and then they're the big smart people figuring it all out. I have no idea what this you I just spent my whole fif I spent 70 years in black projects. I don't know what's going on. Why would you come to me? H I don't know. I just wrote all the scientific papers about it. I can explain everything about it. But hey, I don't know. You're the one to solve it. [laughter] Jesus, people really falling for this. It's crazy. earlier because we were totally hamstrung by the format. I I I actually just half an hour ago I was asked by someone about exactly this question and I said [clears throat] there are two possibilities either I'm being used as a puppet you know for some other purpose or government is sincere and we are dealing with uh cooperation a cooperative uh approach and um you know I think President Trump is definitely chat oh my god chat he actually said that oh my goodness I'm clipping that tomorrow chat is either One of two things. Either the government's telling the truth about the aliens or Avi Lobo is being played by the government like a puppet. One of those two things is true, chat. Which one do you guys think it is? Is Avi Lo being played like a puppet or are they telling the truth about the aliens? Chat, we have no idea about the aliens. It could be anything. We just know. We know there's secret aliens visiting, but we know nothing about them. Just enough to tell you we know they're visiting and that we can't tell you anything more and that we don't know. [laughter] Yikes. Um uh sincere in the way that he pursues it. Uh and I think that uh sentiment penetrates throughout all branches of government because I spoke to people and uh my sense is that we're now in a new era of cooperation. >> We're cooked chat. Deep states one. The deep state one chat. If this is if this is what they're pedalling to the public, the deep state one, this is not Trump doing this. I I I would almost guarantee Trump has had no say in this. This is the deep state picking their people, picking their people to be part of their UAP luring council that's never getting anything done. I mean, if you actually think these people are going to get you anything, you're out of your mind. What do you think they're actually going to produce? The government's going to release another batch of UFO files. And now we're going to have another line of gatekeepers. And before the government releases the videos, these people are going to tell us what to believe about every video. They're go, "This one's balloons. This one's Chinese lanterns and rocket parachuters." That's what these people are going to do. And they're going to pretend like they're intellectuals. It's going to be the biggest clown show ever. You might as well bookmark this. This is guaranteed to age like wine. The gatekeepers. This the gatekeepers chat. So instead of building distrust and saying the other side is trying to hide things. Some small achievement. >> Dr. Poff I'm So help me understand the difference between OAP and what people describe as the legacy program because it seems like they aren't necessarily the same thing. >> They're not the same thing. That's true. And if there is a legacy program that how do like how do we how do who do we talk to? What steps do we go to get act like get that information because it seems like we're right now it feels like we're rediscovering historical records that have been that have been forgotten or lost. >> Right. Right. >> See this is why I like Congressman Berles chat. He's just like me. He's just a normal dude that fell into this. He's like, "Hey, how do we figure this out?" Because you guys are obviously lying. So you guys are obviously lying and figured this out and we just need to get the records. We don't really need to go reinvent the wheel. We don't need to go get some more get some more data. We need to upgraded telescopes. Upgrade my avi brandless telescope. Chat only1 billion dollars for my all the billionaires that visit me. I'm going to upgrade my avi brand telescope and we're gonna fight figure out what the aliens are. Jesus. We might be an idiocracy. I would say the best opportunity you might have would be go to somebody like Jay Stratton who was in charge of the UAP task force for like 16. >> Are you kidding me right now? You just say J Stratton 16 years. You're going to go to J Stran Salvatore Pais the US Navy engineer told me to my face to this face right here that this man right here directed Jay Stratton to go and shut down his work. How How is that not making the rounds? That's not me inventing a story. That's Salvatore Pais saying it to my face. said J. Stratton rolled up, wanted to know about his high energy electromagnetic field generator or whatever his patents and his technology. Said he was sent there by Hal Pudof. Does that sound like a guy who doesn't know what's going on? He's sending CIA spooks to go question Navy engineers. That's the guy I got no idea about this. It could be anything. Could be Andromedans, could be zediculans, could be future humans. I don't know how how the force works. What do I Well, just because my skin's green and I'm short, you assume that I'm a Yoda? Are you assuming my my racial identity as Yoda? Jeez, is this guy >> years and he was dealing with uh all the various elements and then he ran into the quote gatekeepers for the legacy program and so that's >> he ran chat. Yeah. Yeah. chat. They ran into the gatekeepers. They ran into them like you run into your coworker at the water cooler. [laughter] They They ran into the gatekeepers chat like they ran into them while they were barbecuing with them and their wives where they hang out every weekend. They ran into the the gatekeepers accidentally. Jesus. Uh so the OSAP program was started by Senator Harry Reid and a couple of other senators uh at the time >> kind of look from the outside into the legacy program but then when you got >> well to look outside in into the phenomena so at the beginning I don't think they recognized that there was a legacy program and it was only that in the process of carrying out the requirements of the OSAP program began to realize oh my god there's there's more behind the scenes that that we didn't even know about when we set up this program and that that's why I was just talking to Jay Stratton uh part of the UAP task force course because he was the one that began to collect data from here there and everywhere and then identify gatekeepers and find out that there was a legacy program. So uh OSAP and >> I'm going to repeat it one more time for you man. The other way that I know that Hal Pudaf is completely full of [ __ ] in the narrative that he's selling here. He's telling the truth about the details of what they did. What he's not telling the truth about is the overarching narrative about how it's war going and what they figured out and what it was all about because this is obviously about building weapons for the government. That's what this is clearly about, right? Like it's about building weapons for the government and lying about it. We're just branding it. The way I know they're completely full of [ __ ] is all we need is the MH370 files declassified. It's the simplest request ever. We know exactly what they're hiding. We know exactly where it is. We don't have to ask anybody. We don't need any whistleblowers cuz Edward Lynn leaked it for us. We just need the United States government to release the classified files about the missing airliner that they are hiding because they are responsible for the plane. And when they reveal those files, it's going to prove that the MH370 videos are real. It's going to show that we did an operation on the plane. It's going to show that we use some magical orbs to teleport it. And that's the end of all of this [ __ ] That's the end of all this garbage about disclosure and aliens because then we're going to know that we have space-time manipulation technology and free energy and none of this [ __ ] matters anymore. Crash retrievals don't matter anymore. Alien species don't matter anymore. Boom. That's how I know these people aren't serious. Because if they were serious, if he really was trying to probe the government for the secret truth that they're hiding, like he's pretending to be, that's what he's saying all these programs were trying to do. ASOP, AIP, Kona Blue, he's going, we were trying to figure out the secrets the government was fig had. Okay. Well, I got them all right here. But you know what's crazy? You know what's real crazy? How put off? I'll pull this back up in just a second. When I look at these videos and I dig into this physics, you know where it goes back to? It goes It goes straight back to you, P. It goes straight back to you, Dad. You're the one. That's who it goes back to. All the people that figured this exact [ __ ] out goes back to Hal Pudof. H I guess I know why he's not interested in looking at the videos. I wouldn't be interested in looking at videos of, you know, me having gay sex with somebody if I was considered to be a a tradath type of person. Obviously, that would uh put me to be a little bit of a hypocrite. This is basically the equivalent the zero point energy equivalent of that of finding out that Hal Pudas cheating on his wife of 50 years with a man. Geez. Okay. >> [laughter] >> Like Ashton, you took it too far there, chat. I didn't take it far enough. If we're being honest with you, I told you this is the straight up Darth Darth for Orbs phase. There is no filter. We're making George Floyd jokes. I don't give a crap who I offend. I'm going to offend everyone. We're making algae in the pool in the in the reflecting pool jokes. It's all coming out. >> We did. uh starting in 2008 was completely separate from the legacy program and we never got access I mean the gatekeepers of the legacy program uh even though we were you know even going for Kona blue were supposed to be an SAP program we still couldn't get access to the legacy programs uh the security personnel involved in the Kona blue thing uh [clears throat] found the gatekeepers and the gatekeepers said yeah we're not going to talk to you until you have an SAP but we didn't get the SAP so that never went anywhere so those are really two completely separate and you know in recent years they were >> in a completely different world like we'll talk you can have the secret alien technology but you need a SAP like what is this even world that Hal Pudaf lives in he lives in some kind of world where he just sets up special access programs and the government's just like giving him alien technologies to figure out someone just needs to do a whole story about this guy's life because this is just this the spookiest [ __ ] that I have ever seen and we only get bits and pieces of of it from him. But now we're starting to actually put together the whole picture of how this has played out. And it seems like how Pluto's just gone from special access program to special access program to special access program. And that's just in the 2000s and later. Before that, he was working on the Marauder program. He was working on the NASA breakthrough physics propulsion program. Maybe UAP Gerbin. I need to connect because I can connect a few more dots with Haludaf. And in there is the dense plasma focus. and teleportation physics study >> much better sensors being used by the US government right by by the military. So there should be also fresh data that was collected over the past decade since those programs were the evidence is even clearer. So I would I would recommend looking at that as well >> sir in the bass reports um I think this was 2009 or 2010 you can correct me on this Dr. put off. Um, Biglo Aerospace dedicated some money to build out actual facilities in Las Vegas to house some of the materials they expected to receive from Loheed Martin Space Systems Company. And so that was actually a directive from the Osite program to basically be a container. Uh, sir, what was >> that was the plan that never materialized? But to me the real question is okay if if there is was a program that has already done all this work and does have the the truth and know probably you know knows what these glowing orbs are that we're seeing wouldn't it be wouldn't it make more sense that we crack the nut of who was in the legacy program where those files stored how do we get how do we open that so that we can >> Yes. Congressman Berles, if we know where the glowing arms, wouldn't it make more? Why are we looking for more data? This is why Congressman Berles's probably his [ __ ] meter's going off here. He's going, "We need more data. We need better sensors." And he's going, "Wait a minute." But somebody has to. You're Hal Pudof is telling Congressman Berles that he was trying to figure out who was hiding it. And now Congressman Burles is like, "Don't we just have to like figure out who's hiding it and reveal the data?" No, stop doing that. Why? cuz you're you're looking at Palpatine chat. Halpine of of the Sith right here. >> Instead of doing all this reinventive work to try to rediscover it from another angle. >> I'm not sure that they actually have the answers either. That's because >> I don't they Yeah, we don't we don't Yeah, we couldn't have figured that out. Dude, you just told us about like three different special access programs that spanned over a 10-year period and 38 scientific papers from the best black project engineers on the planet. And now you're trying to tell me I'm not sure they know either. I don't know what it is. Are you kidding me? I figured it out from your defense intelligence reference documents. Sometimes I think I'm the only person in the whole world that's read those scientific papers. Sometimes I really do think that I might be the only actual live human on this planet. [laughter] Read the derds. Anybody that reads them, you're like, "Oh, this is the UFO technology. This is the UFO technology." And how put just said in this interview, he went to people that they confirmed those authors were legacy program black engineers. At least several of them. I can probably guess which ones. My goodness. >> They're also hamstrong in the legacy program of not being able to to get to the best scientist. So that's why what a lova is doing I I think is is is the key to getting this to the next level. So I'm not >> stop with the cap. Stop with the cap. Haluto off. Nobody's believing it. This is the third time he has filated Avi in the middle of this. This is why we needed the best side. We couldn't figure out the fusion technology. We needed the rock specialist. Nobody is believing this. Nobody is buying this. >> I'm not convinced. I mean, the legacy program people obviously know a lot more than than many of us. Is it your conclusion that they did have like that that program did have crash material that they were working with and and and and biologics that they were that they were studying? >> They certainly had access, >> but they didn't have the right scientists to even understand what they were looking at. >> That was the main problem. >> That's probably why it died somewhere, you know. U So I think it's key for to involve people that can help them figure it out. It's really key. >> Absolutely. >> Honestly, you know what? This is one of those things like this is the Daily Show uh after President Trump won, you know, like this is we don't want this to go away. This is neverending material for us. I don't ever have to teach science ever again. I can probably just live off of commenting on these crazy stupid people and their dumb scop for the rest of my days. Actually, if I really wanted to. Unfortunately, I just want the truth and I want this to be over with and this whole gay little scop to go away forever cuz I'm done with it. I've been dealing with this alien ET [ __ ] since the '9s and we've been getting a carrot on the stick since then. It's 38 years later, 36 years later, and we're not any closer than we were before. And now the same people are telling us we needed Neil Degross Tyson and Avi Loe and Bill Nye the science guy. If we had them then we would have figured out the alien physics but we didn't have them. We only had uh Frank me and David Froin and George Miley and Paul Sizz. We only had Eric Davis. We only had dudes that were like literal experts in all of these technologies. But [ __ ] Yeah. We needed we really needed the guys in the public and that's why we put him in charge of a public facing thing. Mhm. Got it. >> The program got shut down actually. I don't quite remember the date but because no progress had been made because they couldn't get materials in front of scientists who could do a good job of evaluating them. So it just it died more or less. But that's that's why uh this new approach I think really is a fresh approach. This this is not a a putup job to to get another way of shoveling it all under the under the >> and I will not I will not >> I can't dude I can't I can't even He's telling on himself is this is he actually Hal Pudof he's one of the best liars I've ever seen first of all but he messed up right there it's it's rare that I will catch Hal Pudof in a slip up but right there he goes this is this is not another way to to shovel this back under the rug that's not what we're doing here. It's like nobody said that, bro. Nobody actually said that, but now you're saying it now. It definitely it definitely is that, isn't it? That that is what this is. This is a way to shovel this back under the rug. And the way they're going to do it is you go, "Oh, Avi Avi Loe figured out the alien physics, everybody. Turns out Avi Lo figured out the aliens. Those those orbs were aliens the whole time. That we didn't know how that worked. Humans humans couldn't understand fusion and all this. That's 100% what they're doing. And you would say, Ashton, they would have to think we're so stupid. They do. They know we're so stupid. That's how crazy this is. They know we're so stupid that they're going, there's a guy on social media revealing all this, but it doesn't even matter because we're just gonna send a Lobo who a bunch of normie NPCs on Reddit trust and we're going to have him just discover it and we're going to have Hal Pudof, the guy that really discovered it, literally just let Aby get all the credit and everybody's just going to clap and and believe it and wholly believe it's real. Meanwhile, all the scientific papers that were written by the actual experts have already it's already out there for anyone to just read anytime they want. Explains everything. Nobody's going to read it, though. So, there's no worries. No risk. It's a Tik Tok age chat. Nobody reads anything. If it's not on Tik Tok, it doesn't even exist. >> Subject myself. If I realize that it's a setup, I will. >> Yeah. So, I think this is the real deal. Way to go. Sir, when you're saying the program was shut down, are you echoing the sentiments of some of your compatriots like Eric Davis and Christopher Melon that the program was ceased in 1989 due to lack of progress? >> Yes. And of course, you know, Eric Davis worked for me and uh I was involved with Chris Melon [gasps] um as part of To the Stars Academy. >> Well, I mean, did he just say that the program was shut down in 1989? So, there was another program in 1989. So, this this legacy program goes all the way back to the 80s. I didn't even realize that we can now draw a line because I can cover the gap. Cold Fusion, Marauder program happens. You've got uh Jack Namekin's forcefree time harmonic plasmoids. You've got Edward Teller's dipole fusion propulsion mechanism in the 90s. That's how they figure out the toids. That's how they figure out the high beta plasma fusion and then you run into the NASA breakthrough physics propulsion and then you get to where we're at now. Wow. Interesting. >> I I got to push back because I do uh I do vehemently disagree with that. Is that firsthand information that that shutdown is coming from in 1989 secondhand or kind of where is that idea based off of? >> Based on >> that the program was shut down in in >> based on the people who had the program and had it shut down from them. >> [laughter] >> Wow, that's a really awkward interaction right there. UAP Gerb is straight up saying the program didn't get shut down. He's saying they just said the programmer shut down, but they never stopped researching UFO technology, alien technology, Tesla technology, zero. They never stopped. If you believe they stopped, you're crazy. But what you can see is he may not be lying because they one program shuts down and the same exact people just go into a new program. That's what's happened. That's how it works. That's what Hal Pudaf isn't saying here. He he kind of is saying it though. So you realize even if they shut down one program means no it means nothing. You just started up in a new name. In fact that's probably good. You probably do want to be changing the names like that frequently. So this is why he's definitely the one hiding it. 100%. 100%. If you're looking for a guy that's hiding the free energy fusion technology, the spaceime manipulation, it's the guy that had all the papers about it authored, it's the guy that's going from special access program to special access program, setting up new ones, pulling in all the same people every time. They already have security clearances, that's how it works. Wow. We're actually getting to see how this plays out. This is very revealing, very important information. >> I mean, I was really shut down. and they couldn't even get access to their own reports that they had written or their own materials. And when they were going out of their way to say, "Well, we need to share it at a lower classified level so more scientists can get involved in looking at it." They said, "You know, if you even think of doing that, uh, we're going to come and gather all those materials back from you. You're not even going to read and you can't even read your own reports that you wrote." So, I was a real shutdown. >> I I think what I don't understand about that, sir, is in the age of disclosure documentary, um, Lou Alzando J. Stratton stated that in the late 2010s into the early 2020s they stumbled upon the legacy program which was active. >> Yeah, the legacy program didn't get shut down. I'm just saying >> a certain program got shut down to make progress via >> Told you. Told you. Oh, the legacy. What the hell did you think UAP Gerb was talking about right there? Did he intentionally misrepresent the the question? This is what I'm saying. He stumbled. He messed up a little bit right there. Oh, the other I mean he UAP GB was clearly talking about the legacy program. The legacy program never got shut down. So they referring to the legacy program as whatever that's probably the CIA D uh Department of Energy, right? If we're thinking about who's going to be the legacy program, because they're just using that as some kind of catch-all term because they can't name the people involved, it's probably directorate of science and technology of the CIA and the Department of Energy because the Department of Energy is going to control fusion. And so they're going to control all the high energy physics, Los Alamos Labs, all magnetic mirrors, everything you need for those plasma orbs is controlled by the Department of Energy. Pay attention, Congressman Berles and UAP Gerb. And the CIA is the one that will be actively using and developing the technology. They're the ones that can write the contracts to the lock to the engineers to build it for the special access for the unacknowledged special access program to take that technology and build it and turn it into something that can be used on the battlefield, used in intelligence activities, which we did. We teleported an airplane. Oh, >> in 19 in 1989. >> No, that would not have been in '89. Um, [gasps] >> well, it's apparently the program got not the legacy program, right? But but the program involves some of the defense contractors got shut down. So then later on when we we came on board, we say, "Well, let's start it back up again and we're here to help if you can declassify some of the some of the stuff." >> So a specific aspect [laughter] of the legacy program was halted in 1989. Not the whole legacy program, but a specific component of it. >> I'm not sure I would call the component that got shut down part of the legacy program. I mean, they're really two programs. >> Two programs. >> Yeah. I mean, the legacy program is really a deep >> program going on for a long time. Um, but nonetheless, they did try to get help and assistance from all the defense contractors. So, that effort >> damn UAP Gerbs actually got Hal Pudof on the ropes here. This is the first time I've ever seen him staggered. This is the first time I've ever seen Halaputo off staggered because he has to be part of the legacy program as well. He has to be wearing two hats. He's got one foot in the door of the legacy program. He's got one foot in the door of this. It's almost like the in internal investigative group, right? They're investigating themselves and they're trying to figure out how do we reveal this probably because they know what they're doing is criminal. I mean, it's a crime against humanity, but it might be actual just normal crimes, too, like fraud, corruption, all that other stuff guaranteed happening. >> Got shut down. >> Well, that's that's really interesting you say that, sir. Uh, in the age of doc disclosure documentary, the legacy program is outlined as the uh CIA director of science and technology, department of chat. What am I hearing right now? Is is there an echo, chat? Does anybody else hear an echo here? Hold on. I'm hearing an echo. >> [gasps] >> That's funny. >> Shut down. >> Well, that's that's really interesting you say that, sir. Uh, in the age of doc disclosure documentary, the legacy program is outlined as the uh CIA director of science and technology, Department of Energy, DIB prime contractors in the Air Force, but like you're saying right here, the legacy program is deep. It's robust. There's multiple. What other entities are culpable in the legacy program that could help Representative Berles with his investigation? >> Well, we couldn't find out. I mean, I I don't know. I don't know the answer to that because the the gatekeepers are very sequestered and uh who they're involved with is very sequestered. So, you just have to go digging. That's why I say maybe if you would talk to someone like Jay Stratton who headed up the UAP task force and he's just a very effective guy. I mean, he got all kinds of different defense contractors and intelligence units, all six. [clears throat] >> I have a better idea. I have a much much better idea. Don't go to J Stratton. That guy's a disinformation spook. You're not going to get information that leads to anything if you go to J Stratton. Here's a better idea. Go to Salvatore Py. How about you go to the guy that's got five patents for literal UFO alien technology. Maybe we should talk to that guy. Maybe we should ask that guy what his inspiration is. Maybe we should look at the references on his scientific papers and see where it says Hal Pudof, gravity is a zero point fluctuation force. Maybe we should read that part because I think that guy might have some ideas on where the technology is being hidden within the government because I'll tell you this, there's got to be some crazy ass story about how those patents even came to be. I don't think the Navy just randomly patents alien technology on a daily basis. It feels to me like there's some kind of internal war going on, conflict between these agencies that know about this technology and they're probably using it on the battlefield versus they know the public's not being told about it. Perfect way to get it out to the public is make a patent. You can't make a patent go away. I mean, you can. You definitely can, but it's hard. So, talk to Salvatore Pais. He's a cool guy. I like talking to them. >> Or whatever involved in trying to move the forward program forward beyond what the legacy program is doing and and you know, they're not successful. >> He has a book coming out. >> He has a book coming out. >> Where do NDAs come into all this? >> He has a book coming out, chat. They all have books coming out. Tim Galedet has a book coming out as well. Every single one. I'm the only one who doesn't have a book coming out. And I'm the one that they come and call a grifter. These are the ones they call experts. My goodness. We live in an inverted reality. >> I mean, have you had to sign an NDA with your new role? >> No, not yet. >> Not yet. >> And were you ever pressured in any of your UAP related work? >> Iv's not signing any NDAs, chat. There's no need. not solving anything. >> They sign an NDA at any >> Well, we signed security documents for, you know, SEI accesses and all that kind of stuff. I didn't have to sign it with corporations. Gotcha. >> No. >> So, when you say gatekeepers, just to back up just a second, that's vague to me. >> Okay. There there are certain people who um their job is to make sure that the deep legacy program doesn't get exposed or doesn't uh you know, come to light. >> Unelected individuals. >> Yes. >> Unelected individuals. There it is. That's what I'm accusing Lozando of. That's what I'm accu accusing him. What what Halpadov just said right there. There's people whose job it is to make sure this legacy program of secret fusion technology and teleportation to make sure that doesn't come to light. Why? Because we're using it against China whenever the [ __ ] we want. And if it came to light, A, our adversaries are going to get it, number one. And B, people got to answer a lot of questions that they can't answer. Everyone's going to be asking the government, "Where did we teleport the plane? Why did we use some fusion reactors on an airplane, a civilian airliner?" Right now, they come to me for those. I shouldn't be the one answering those questions. That should be the government. I'm a healthcare IT consultant. I'm not a psychopath that works on psychoass operations against China. That's not my area of forte. I don't write scripts and pretend to live in a fake reality. >> They're they're security people today. Well, >> I I hope to deal with hopefully he won't have to deal with the legacy program because what he's going to do, I think, is going to fix what the disasters of the legacy program are. That is getting open scientific investigation and and and he's right from what he just said a couple minutes ago. And that is when all of these things were occurring. I mean some of this was decades ago but because our sensor systems >> so I'm trying to be that kid. Okay. So the point is that darts in the room will always dismiss it and say oh it's a rock leave it alone. And the point is we need to to dig deeper and in ter we don't need to guess it's extra dimensional something. We don't need to guess that. First of all let's establish the fact that it's not humanmade if we're dealing with a piece of technology. And then we can start asking okay so what is it good for? How does it operate? You know like a kid how does how do things work? But I suggest not jumping to the conclusion before we actually examine it. So just think of of this process as the process of learning. You know, and in the process of learning, the best thing to do is uh watch the evidence or or listen to whoever is on the other side because you may not have good enough imagination. >> I love it. Was Lou Alzando ever part of part of OAP? >> Well, he was kind of an advisory kind of role, but he wasn't officially part of OAP. Although when uh Harry Reid went >> Oh my god, that's exactly what I wanted to hear right there. Lu Alzando wasn't technically part of ASAP. Why? Why? This has been the whole point of contention over this. I know what Lu Alzando's role was now. We've been able to piece it together now from all this this little bits of information. Advisory role. Yeah. What do you think his advisory role was on the for the UFO people that were working on the secret alien technology? Uh, his advisory role was on how not to have the information come out to the public. He was James Clapper's guy making sure that the special access programs weren't leaking out to the public. The exact thing that I keep saying was his role. He needs to just come out and admit what he was doing. And if you're going to be a whistleblower or whatever, you can't just be the torturer and come out and be like, "I'm anti-torrture now." And not tell us you were actually torturing people the whole time. Oh, yeah. You spent 10 years preaching about anti-torrture after you murder you tortured 10 people to death. Yeah. Good luck. Thank you. Oh, great. We we love you. You're obviously a paragon of virtue. My goodness. >> Forward to trying to get an SAP set up. He said, "Well, the people I want in the SAP are these people." And he included Lou's name. So, he was kind of on the edge associated, but uh not not directly uh funded by OAP. >> Did he ever ask about the legacy retrieval systems or did do you think he had any involvement with those or >> Well, I think he dug around like we all did, but uh didn't get very far. >> It's interesting. Um, by the way, I think also another another thing to support why what he's doing may be successful as compared to previous cases is I'm I'm also familiar with the people in OD and I and they they are good people. They're good people actually trying to to do something positive. So that's a giant difference. >> Yeah, that's my impression. >> I would agree with that. That's my impression, too. >> This is they're trying to do something positive, dude. You're hiding free energy trying to do something positive. This is like uh the murderer being like, "You know what? Yep. I murdered your brother, but you know what? Here's a piece of cake." What the [ __ ] You're hiding free energy, dude. Trying to do the right thing is not telling us about aliens. That's not doing the right thing. Doing the right thing is telling us what you did to 239 people on board MH370. This isn't actually more. This is one of the things that's not morally ambiguous. The right thing in this situation is not morally gray. Tell the truth about the physics. The only reason why people don't believe it is because the government won't admit that 0 point energy is real. The government won't admit that they've already harnessed quantum energy. The moment they admit that, everybody's going to jump on board because everybody's an NPC. So, number one, admit the truth about the physics. Number two, admit the truth about the plane. You're killing me with this. Yes. >> Yeah. And and and the other reason that we're doing the right thing right now is that, you know, I get hate messages from people who know the answer already. [laughter] So that means we're doing the right thing because we don't know the answer and we're trying to find it. >> Turned out we're probably all going to be wrong [laughter] in some way. >> Exactly. >> Yes. You're all going to be wrong. You know who's not going to be wrong? Me. Yes. You're going to get hate and you're going to keep getting hate because yes, we have solved it. Yes, we have figured it out. In fact, if I was in charge of this [ __ ] we wouldn't be doing podcasts like this. The podcast we would be doing, I would just be reading passages from the material where the answers lie. Instead, you're sitting here jerking yourself off over how many billionaires visited you, haven't said a single goddamn thing about physics yet. Not one word about physics yet in this interview. Here, here's an idea, Avi. Here's here's some advice. Pick up a book. Here you go. You're a Harvard professor. Pick up a book and read. Crack it. Amazing what you can learn about secret plasma orbs when you read the engineers that built them. Crazy. 100%. Here. You want to know the truth? Because the aliens downloaded the future into my brain, I'm going to tell you the future. You know what these guys are going to figure out? They're going to figure out what we already figured out years ago. They're going to figure out these plasma technology is fusion. They're going to figure out that they're fusion drones flying around, but they're going to do the wrong thing. They're gonna say that we can't built that. Humans don't know how fusion works. It's alien technologies. Maybe it's humans from the future coming back to talk to us. Send us their gifts when in reality they did figure it out. Freaking Avi chat. Yeah, we're talking [ __ ] about you, son. Data, etc. out of the legacy program through now deceased Dr. Jim Ryder. What was at role in this? uh while Lu Alzando was uh you know basically was you might say the kind of leader of ATIP. In other words, as as as things were getting shut down under OAP, we didn't want to just say, "Oh, okay, then we're done." You know, and so uh you know what activity he was doing, we we just used ATP actually had been a nickname for OAP uh along the way, but uh you know, it it was not itself an independent program. So anyway, what what Lou did uh under the ASIP ATIP uh um label was to for example gather up uh you know the video tapes, some of which have come out and so on and and gather data from what had been successfully uh carried through under the OSAP program. So he he was he was just just a collaborator and uh >> big what I'm hearing here is those videotapes that were released the Navy UFO videos they got released because that was part of these guys program to pull information out of the legacy program we're calling it I guess. Huh. And then Lu Alzando seems to have coordinated the move from one special access program called ASOP, which was already being called AIP to the real AIP that ended up being a real organization. And he was working at a higher level directly under James Clapper per his own words making this all happen. Question you have to ask yourself, why would they be doing this at all? Why would they be investigating themselves, investigating their own science, investigating their own physics? Even on its face, the premise makes no sense. And um Chris Melon uh you know took on the task of trying to get this further up the chain of command to General Mattis who's defense secretary and could they couldn't get through his gatekeepers. So anyway, that that was that that's what that was about. So transitioning to about 2017 when yourself, Mr. Alison, >> you think these generals don't know? You think these generals don't know? General Joseph Vodel works for Sierra Nevada Corporation. He was head of JOCK. Admiral William McRaven works for Palunteer. [laughter] He was head of all special forces. Um, General Joseph F. Dunford who set up Space Force. His nephew showed him the videos and he could tell just from the look on his face that he recognized what was going on. The generals in the military know we have this technology. This is not just CIA. Our military is using this [ __ ] >> and others embarked on to the stars academy TTSA. Uh back in the 2010 OFAP reports, I think this was the 10-month report, there was an idea for something called Project Forum, which was to essentially attract a pop culture figures, pop star superstars in California specifically and use them as a vehicle to kind of push disclosure, push awareness, global awareness on the topic. Was this something that ATIP took project forum to use in TTSA? Was this a guideline? Was this a holdover program? Um did it influence how TTSA was conducted or how far I know not. I mean the people who you know went ahead and setting up uh to the stars academy involved Chris Melon Jim >> in reality as as representative Berles has been beautifully pointing out >> I will say if you're interested in the TTSA and you're interested in Tom Delange the question on Tom Dange is where is he the guy that came and set him up into the special access world is missing General McCassland is missing And Tom Delange is nowhere to be found. If Salvatore Pais went missing, you would see me every single day. The only thing I would be talking about every day on my social media is where the [ __ ] is Salvador Pais. Every single day, this dude's muse disappears. He doesn't even say anything. Tom Don is nowhere to be found. uh such semi-private systems like the MITER Corporation that receives 99% of its funding from the US government is the perfect method in which to keep programs outside of government control but for the US government to still retain possession of the program of materials of institutional knowledge even. So why has that why has it up until now why have these not been discussed? >> Well, in our case we we didn't involve ourselves with the FFRDC's which is what what these organizations are. So I just never ran across uh that issue. We were pursuing other options. >> So I don't I don't know the answer. Uh, Harry Truman established classified presidential executive orders, also referred to as us by your colleague, Dr. Eric Davis, as peds, presidential emergency action. >> Okay, this is going to be good. The peds, this was a fun thing to learn about. The peds, presidential emergency action documents. This is probably where they hid this because it's above nuclear weapons. This is like nuclear winter nuclear annihilation level emergency documents that allow them to bypass Congress and everything else. So, if you're looking for a secret red button to deploy orbs, this is where it's going to be hidden for sure. documents that relegated custody of recovered discs to atomic energy commission national lab control to be studied under Vanavar Bush. Um his soon to be uh J joint research and development board and then research and development board and um I I do think that is factually correct that kind of spiral out >> Bush lived in Belmont which is just next to where I live in Lexington, Massachusetts. >> Wow. >> And um isn't it time >> it's like he doesn't it's like he just doesn't want us to believe him. The dude just says, "Hey, Vanver Bush was like supposedly secretly one of the first people to start covering up the UFO flying saucer phenomenon." And Avi Loe's first reaction is, "I live right next to him." You even UAP GB's like, "Wow, why' you say that aloud?" >> For the US to gain global leadership in both science and technology by discovering what they were talking about these guys. >> Well, I think they've already discovered this and this is the real problem with these programs that Dr. put off and myself and >> exactly. See, I like you UAP. He's like, I think they've already discovered this. This is the [ __ ] We're being told they don't know what it is. We can't know what it is. The crazy part is he's talking to the guy that already discovered it. Hal Pudof wrote the scientific papers on how it works. Why is he pretending like he doesn't know? Like if this was me, if if he was being honest, if Halpov was being honest, he would be saying, "Aliens are probably using wormholes to travel." Why? Because space isn't empty and I'm the guy that wrote all the papers for the government on how it works. He could even just be speculating like that, but he is not even doing that. He's out here going, "We have no idea how this works. We need a lobe to figure out the physics." What the [ __ ] and a Berles has been trying to pursue the legacy programs. The secrecy apparatus of these programs which were largely established as a centralized effort in 1947 have compounded and grown and spiraled so out of control. Um that's why you know when when Dr. But was talking about the program being shut down in 1989. There was so much confusion and we I think we reached a good point today where it wasn't the program that was shut down but a specific element of the legacy program that was shut down because this has spiraled out so much and there's serious allegations maybe Dr. Dr. Pov can comment on this as well that specific aerospace contractors I'll name them Lucky Martin and North of Croman established their own retrieval and recovery activities uh with cell fund through independent research and development funds. Have you come across similar allegations Dr. Putoff? >> I've come across similar allegations. Yes. >> Interesting. >> I had a high level executive from Loit Martin visit. >> Bro, the defense contractors probably have their own like military forces picking up broken arrow nuclear weapon plasma fusion orbs off the ground like that. We're already living in a dystopia. That's what people don't realize. We're already full on in the dystopia and the dystopia brainwashing is so powerful that we don't even realize it. Former high level exe visit my home and um I asked him is there any truth to these claims and he said it's not wrong. >> Whoa. [laughter] Whoa. That's >> would you connect him to repres That was like a few years ago. I have to find the name. Yeah. >> Yeah. That would be fantastic. >> Agency within the US government. It could be an FFRDC, a UR prime contractor, subcontractor. What should be number one that Representative Berles has not discussed yet or investigated yet? >> How about going back to DHS and asking to talk to the people involved in security there? >> Okay. >> Because then they had links and connections if if they could reveal them and that that >> interesting. I actually just got a rejection today from Department of Homeland Security saying they don't have any FI files on MH370 just today. Brand new. >> Be useful. Industrial security personnel, PSOS, program security officers, uh, >> let's go to the super chats, guys. Okay, this was a long one. And I do promise that on Friday's stream, we are going to review, we're going to watch Conference on Free Energy, David Froin, including the clip I already played. I know I did promise it and I will give it you guys on Friday on the day before our national birthday chat. Okay, let's go to first of all, thank you guys in the pill chat. Thank you again, Woke Societies, for that huge raid. I appreciate you, Woke Societies. Check him out, guys. You're on pill chat. Thank you for the cookies. Pquest, Juan Rambo, thank your cookie. Moon Baby and Pquest again. Double cookie. Nom nom delicious cookie. Pquest, thank you guys very much. Rumbled chat, my Rumble chat has been getting much bigger, guys. Thank you very much. Uh, big shout out to Double Ms. I think I saw K Sierra laughing cat new person, Adam Rumbler. Uh, a a Dutch Rumbler. Thank you for hanging out. out and pissed off. Thank you guys for hanging out with me tonight. Dobby with a throbbie says, "Is real fusion on your radar?" Now, this is what I'll say. Not really. Why? Because there's only a couple kinds of fusion companies. There are fusion companies that don't have an idea, don't have a theory, don't have a reactor. There's fusion companies that have a theory and and don't have a reactor. And then there's fusion companies that have a theory and have a reactor. The kind of fusion companies I'm interested in are the ones that have a theory and have a reactor. Those are the ones I'm most interested in. It's not that other people's theories can't get there. I think there's a lot of people waking up to the physics realizing it's possible and everybody wants to cash in. Everybody wants to get involved. But what they don't realize is the government already controls everything. So, what you should really be doing is investing in the ones that are already the front runners. Try Alpha Energy and Helium Fusion have already been doing it for decades. They've already most likely been selected to be the winners. You want to go with somebody else, good luck. You're probably throwing your money away. That's just me being honest. There you go, Dobby with the Throbbie. Jane Kelly says, "Ashton, I'm your biggest fan." Thank you very much, Jane Kelly. I appreciate you and thank you so much for that super chat. Gonzo Bowser, $20 super chat. Thank you very much. You guys are popping off already. Kathy with a C. Lu Alzando's word salads are only rivaled by Camala. He must be going to the Camala Harris school of answering questions. Maybe he has a few wines has a few wine coolers before he goes and starts uh going on these podcasts. Says nothing. Rambles on for three or four minutes. doesn't ever answer the question. By the time he's done, I don't even remember what the question was anymore. Sig Saucer from everybody in the chat. LFG, shout out everybody in the chat. Our chats are popping off. Uh ICC says, "Spooky haunters. How crazy UFO activists duped Congress into investigating UFOs." Oh, this is uh Steven Greenwall Green Street. He actually finally unblocked me after several years because he realized that I'm probably realized that I'm calling these people out as well. I mean, obviously he doesn't believe the MH370 videos. None of those guys do, but he realizes I'm at least calling out the people that are also lying. Stephen Greenreet, my opinion on him is he just he has a broken heart. Stephen Green Street got his heart broken. He believed everything. He got used by them and they used him up and then he realized he got duped. And when he realized he got duped, he just went fully against it. It's like what'll happen to Ross Kohart or Avi Loe when they find out they get used. They're going to immediately freak out. They're going to get redpilled. They're going to go full 180. They're going to say, "Hey, this is all fake. Everything's fake. These people are all liars." Because they got their heart broken. Poor Steve Green. Boohoo. The true story is they do have super secret advanced alien technology. Does it come from aliens? I don't know and I don't care. But they do have it 100%. And they are hiding it. And that's why all these people are doing this weird [ __ ] It's not that it's nothing. It's that they're hiding something even more incredible than aliens. J Beach loves ZPE. Jay Beach, thank you very much. says, "Ashton, what I wouldn't pay to see you sitting around that table with them formidable Forbes bey [ __ ] [ __ ] up in there. That day will come." Yeah, it'll come one day, Chad. It may be a little while, but I would be dropping the truth nukes in terms of the science and the papers, and I would be forcing Hal Pudof to answer a lot of tough questions about the development of that science. I still haven't seen anybody ask Hal Pudof about NASA breakthrough physics, propulsion, the Marauder program, Cold Fusion, Ken Shoulders. Some people have asked about Ken's shoulders, but he kind of dodges it. How about dense uh uh d what is it? Dense plasma focus uh charge clusters. People need to be asking him about that, especially if you want to know about plasmoids. Bit razor says string theory is a cover story for zero point energy and unlabored acceleration since the post Manhattan project world. This is a very good theory. They needed to come up with a way for people to not even be looking at 0 point energy. So, we have dark matter and we have dark energy. We just made up fake things because our observations show that we're wrong. And so, then we also needed a whole new theory, a unification theory, string theory. I don't even know what the hell string theory is supposed to be all about. I'm pretty sure some mathematicians just looked at some numbers and were like, "Let's move these numbers around. Oh, look. We came up with string theory. Does it have any basis to reality? No. No basis to reality. But boy, the math is very elegant. Sorry, man. I'm just a normal working class guy here. I don't care about your fancy numbers. I just want to know how many dimensions do we got. Oh, there's one more dimension. Okay, I got you. I'm with you. That's all I need to know. We can pull free energy from an extra dimension. Good enough for me. You don't need to go into fancy math and words. We're good. I got it. Jay Beach loves ZPE. Thank you very much for that super sticker. Jay Varga says, "A recent remote viewer said the plane teleported to Diego and all were alive, took some engineers, and then mass unal alive the others. Do you think this could be how it played out?" It's certainly the story that the letter to Ashton Forbes tells tells that everybody else died, but somehow they got these engineers. I don't really believe it. I think they just all died. I think that the smoke on the plane, they planted some smoke device on the plane fire to get the plane to turn around. And I think that they all died either from that smoke or because they didn't realize that the toxic the smoke in the or the plastics in the plane itself were super toxic and that the smoke device actually just released all these toxic fumes and killed everybody on the plane. It would explain why like nobody's reemerged after all these years. And it's like you can't well you take some engineers or what now they're just slaves so they can never come out ever again. You might as well have just killed them at that point. So that's the main reason why I don't think they're alive. But I don't know. Leslie Wisdom says blurry four orbs greater than clear threeletter media lies. Indeed, Leslie, thank you very much for being a follower all this time. Jal Robin says, "Awesome stream. Thanks for covering all this information with us, Ashen. Of course. And we'll be covering more science and more physics for sure. Charlie Gentry says, "How's wicked smile tells me all I need to know." Says, "Do you know? How do you know? Because I said so." Howal pudof. Howal's evil, but the reason it's like this is because insane compartmentalization from the government. The OG physicist died and now the leaders have no clue. Now, this is a theory, too, that actually has some weight behind it. I keep telling people I'm open to any theory as long as it's not complete and utter [ __ ] And I'm being fed complete and utter [ __ ] by these disclosure people. I understand and could believe the idea that we lost the technology. Why? Because that already happened with fog bank. So, I can imagine that it was highly compartmentalized and then now like it's just in the hands of some unelected deep state department of energy CIA people and there's no oversight because all the people that were oversighting are all dead now. I could see that. But it's time to start speaking up. If that's the case, then what are you afraid of? If there's no oversight and people have technology they shouldn't be having, you can just whistleblow on that. You can just come out and say, "Hey, we got Secret Advanced Technology. Edward Teller died and nobody was left behind and now the CIA has." Just say it. Just say that. Just say that on CNN. What are we What are we talking about? If they take you out, you become a martyr. If they take you out, we'll know it's true. I don't get these people. That's how I know they're lying. So, check out the durs, guys, before we close. Here's your moment of zen. Here are the derds. Here they are. This is not even all of them. This is only like 26. He said there's 38. I think several are classified. But as you can see from this list, I can name like more than half a dozen dudes right off this list that I just know by heart. Like John Kramer, Bob Baker, Robert ML Baker, Hal Pudov, Paul Sis, Friedwart Winterberg, John Kramer, Eric Davis. I mean, Robert Abusi, how Pudaf said these engineers, some of these were black project. These were legacy program people that worked on the alien technology. So, how sure am I? Am I right? I'm 100 freaking% sure we've got plasma fusion particle accelerator drones that can spin around and teleport an airplane. And that whether or not it's alien technology, don't know. Don't care. But humans have it. Have a good night. MH370X. I love you. Peace out. Later. [music] [music] Out in the fields where the skies are wide. Talking about a journey through [singing] the cosmic ride. Einstein and [music] Thorn, they set the stage for a trip through time across the space age. 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