Legacy Program Debate Patrick Vetted v Ashton 4orbs

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Welcome everybody to another Hard Truths podcast. Today my guest is Patrick from Vetted. Patrick is a content creator. He just came out with a new movie investigating psionics in the UFO community. I haven't talked to Patrick in a while, so I'm super excited to bring him on and we're going to be debating the legacy program explaining what is the Black Project Legacy Program that you guys have been hearing about in the UFO community. Pat, thanks for coming on, brother. How are you doing today? >> Oh man, I'm doing awesome, Ashton. Thank you so much for having me on. Shout out to the chat. Happy to be here. >> Hey, Chad. Well, let's get right into it, man. So, I haven't spoken to you in a while. First thing I want to know is what what has your experience been with the UFO community? You know, I think you started actually pretty close the same time I started in this. And so, I want to see like have our paths been diverging or they've been converging. What's been going on? >> Yeah, that's a good question actually. Um, yeah, I started June. I think my first video was June 2023, so it's been just over three years, right when Grush came out essentially. Um, yeah. I mean, I like to say I'm not in the UFO community. I've just created my own community with Vetted. Uh because the the UFO community to me has been very divisive and you know I felt like you had to step into a camp, you know, tribalize yourself, right? You got to be in a box. You got to be somewhere. And I actually put out a tweet today that I think perfectly encapsulates me and vetted, which is, you know, believers think I'm skeptical of everything, that I don't believe anything. And skeptics think I believe everything. So, I I feel like I found the right balance where everybody hates me and I love it. I love it. >> What would be your biggest criticism of those guys of like of the UFO community in general? Or what would be your biggest criticism of the UFO people, the believers? And what would be your biggest criticism of the debunkers, you know, because I think you're saying like you don't really fit into a camp. Go ahead. >> Yeah, I don't really have any criticism of them. Um, I don't judge people for what they believe. I don't really care. You know, people can believe whatever they want. It's their life. Um, you know, their journey, they can they can handle it however they want. um you know and debunkers whatever that means like same thing I I don't really care um everyone's on a path so whatever you believe at some point you didn't believe it right and maybe vice versa people go back and forth you know it's it's it's mountains and valleys um in our whole life as a journey at least that's what I've learned at at 46 years old um so I just kind of let people do their thing and I just realized I'm I just need to do my own thing and and leave it at that. And whoever, you know, like a magnet, right? And whoever is attracted to the type of content I make or what I say or what I do, I'll just go with that. Um, and if it works out, it works out. If it doesn't, it doesn't. You know, I just be me. Pretty simple. >> So, what's your opinion then on the on the topic? I mean, you know, two years and don't fence it on me. You better pick a side here. >> Yeah. Um, you know, I haven't crossed the finish line, as I like to say on my show. Um, the finish line being I believe that there's indisputable proof that, you know, um, aliens have visited and or are visiting this planet, that the government has, um, you know, recovered spacecraft, if you will, whatever. There's all kinds of different terms, you know, whether it be extraterrestrial, interdimensional, time travel, whatever. I just, you know, we have the craft and the bodies. I haven't crossed that finish line yet. I've seen some compelling things that keep me interested in this topic, of course. Um, but, you know, I'm kind of a all or nothing. I'll I'll go I'm like a light switch. I'll go from not believing it to believing it as soon as I see indisputable proof. And then people always ask, "Well, what's that proof, Patrick? What's that evidence that you would need to see to believe? And I hate this. This feels like a copout potentially. I don't know what it is until I see it. You know what I mean? I I really don't know what to say. Um until I see it and and then I would believe it, I guess, is if if that helps. I don't know. Is that Is that a good answer? I feel like that was weak sauce a little bit. >> Sorry, it's a reasonable answer. So, where do you stand on the MH370 videos today? um today. Um I mean I know that's your your thing. You put a lot of work into it, a lot of effort. >> To be honest, you know, brutal being really honest. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no worries on that, man. Um ask my wife. Um you know, uh I know you've put a lot of work into it. I would say the most work. I I really don't know anyone who's put as much effort into that case as you. Um I think that's been since day one. That's pretty well known. I personally don't I I don't know if the MH370 incident happened, but if the videos that I've seen that you shared, I don't believe those videos to be real. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the incident didn't happen. If they were like redramatizations of of an incident that actually happened, I could believe that more. Then that's the actual, you know, security camera footage of the of the incident. But to also be fair, uh to be intellectually honest here, I haven't put in the effort you've put in. the case hasn't really uh been something that has attracted me uh to look into it further. one just because as you know there's a bazillion cases and events and things going on like I don't have the bandwidth to to look into everything and follow everything and but with that said if something comes out that proves you know what you've looked into or other people or whatever I'm willing to change my mind um I'm open-minded uh for sure. Well, that's why I'm asking because then I would say if it were if those videos were to come out to be proven to be true, let's say like Edward Lynn comes out and he's like, "You know what, guys? I leaked those videos. That guy Ashen Ford has been saying, I leaked those videos, I leaked them, right?" Or if like the files get declassified, turns out we ran an operation on the plane. And it's like, "Oh, that must be it." So, would that be proof enough for you then to believe that the government has, you know, alien technology or UFO technology or whatever else? Would something like those videos be enough? I guess that's what I'm asking. >> I mean, if it if it came out that those videos were real, however the reason, right? Whatever. Yeah. >> Even the reasons you stated. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Even the reasons you stated or other reasons you didn't state. >> Um yeah, I I I would be pretty takenback by that. I'd have to re-evaluate um a lot of different things. And I think um um I'd have to I I don't know if I'd believe alien technology, but I would believe a a technology I've never seen before, which would be quite extraordinary, and I would wonder where the [ __ ] it came from. And I guess aliens could be another origin, and that would be another path to go down. Um but yeah, of course, if the videos came out that they were real, I'd be like, "Holy [ __ ] we could teleport." [ __ ] [ __ ] That that would be absolute insanity. Um so yeah, of course. So that's that's basically the starting point of my argument in the debate is that not necessarily arguing over the videos being real, but if those videos are real, then what does that lead to? That's actually what I've been investigating, what I wanted to discuss and dig into you with here today is that you look at that and you say, "Okay, that doesn't necessarily mean aliens are real." But it means we've got some weird hyper advanced technology, I guess I would call it. And like I wonder about the origins of >> okay, how did we get that? >> Yeah. And that's what I think is the heart of the legacy program of what gets called the legacy program colloially by like you know Hal Pudof and the UFO people because I think it's just a term that they use. It doesn't necessarily mean it's like this is number one in the legacy number one guy in the legacy program number two guy and like what have you. I think it's more of a process, a process and um a compartmentalization of special access programs and certain people have various aspects of the knowledge because they're part of that process and that's what makes up the legacy program is then you are in that process. You know information about technology and how things operate and how things get built. Um, and so my basic argument is that the people that have been telling us how they've been investigating the UFOs, trying to figure out how the UFOs work, uh, like how Pudaf did in that interview with, uh, UAP Gerb and Congressman Berles. He says, >> he says, I worked in the special, we set up special access programs called Kona Blue and OAP and ATIP, and we were investigating the legacy program. And you're going, "Wait a minute." Like, you were in a government program that was a special access program and you were investigating, you're telling me alien technology, crash retrievalss. And my core argument is, okay, maybe you were doing that, but you are the legacy program. I don't really know that there is this like here's this different group of engineers that's like working on alien technology. No, it's going to be the Fox Moulder and Scully that are supposedly investigating. No, it turns out they're also like PhD physicists that made tunable lasers and wrote teleportation physics study papers. You're like, who else would I go to to figure this out if I'm the government? There's not another group of people like this. It's those guys. So, that's kind of the heart of my main argument. not that the legacy program doesn't necessarily exist, but that what they refer to is actually the people that are trying to like I guess whistleblow or whatever they're claiming out there. What are your initial thoughts on on that and on the legacy program? >> Well, let me just make sure that I understand the position you just laid out because I I got to admit I if I heard you right, I kind of agree, bro. So, let me let me make sure that I understood this correctly. Um the claim from how put off and other people I saw that same interview you're talking about. Um so so the claim from how put off is that there was all these programs Kona blue OAP ATIP which was a whatever tributary of that program um of OAP um they're saying they were investigating the you the legacy program like they were an investigative group looking into this secret uh UFO program uh that allegedly existed of different people and you're saying no they are those are the same people. So what are you really looking into exactly? Right. If if you're the program like it doesn't make sense, right? Is that what you're saying? >> Basically that like what they would be doing is like a form of control disclosure. What's really happening is they're not investigating a secret group of people and trying to bring that technology out. They're deciding what should we reveal and here's what we're going to reveal from our inside program. >> And I guess let's like back it up for a second for people that are out there because we can do a little a little history lesson. And I'm not UAP girl. I don't have that level of knowledge, but I think between us, we're pretty, you know, we're getting up there. Um, the legacy program is argued >> that it is a collaboration between the CIA, I think specifically now they're saying the director of science and technology in the CIA, which is where Glenn Gaffne was a part of. >> Um, the Air Force, which is supposedly the ones that had Roswell in all this, or I don't know what other reason why the Air Force is necessarily involved. the department of energy. I will uh suppose I will go ahead and assume that the reason why the department of energy is involved is because of the exotic energy sources perhaps fusion perhaps zero point energy and then the last one's the defense contractors. So you have this collaboration between these four groups that supposedly makes up this legacy program. Now, what they do, if you believe the UFO talking heads, what they do is apparently crash retrievals shoot down or collect UFOs that crashed and then we reverse engineer them or something. We have like go teams that go pick them up, take the stuff, and then reverse engineer them. Now, I don't have a lot of evidence for that last part, but I'm interested to to dig into all this with you. Uh, so that's the idea of the legacy problem. Do you agree that that's the core fundamental definition of what a legacy program is meant to be? >> I mean, I don't know. Um I I I hear your definition and I'm not and I've heard that kind of somewhat described that way, but I've also heard other definitions and I I've this kind of been my whole point online recently of challenging some some people to debates. I challenged UAP Gerb, he declined to debate me. I challenged Matt for it. He declined to debate me, which is how we got you and I here together. You jumped in. We're like, "Hey, man. I'll I'll talk to you." And I was like, "Cool. Let's let's do it." Right. Um I I don't I I don't know what the UFO legacy program is. I hear the term all the time, but no one ever defines it. And I have a problem with a lot of terms in the community that I hear all the time. People love to use term NHI, legacy program, plasmoid, sentient beings, incorporal that you know and they never disclosure. I mean there's a lot of terms you go what do you mean by that exactly when you say that? >> Um and I don't think people define it enough. I I've so I hear your definition of what what you think it is. But I ran an experiment uh in my discord open mic last night and I asked everybody what what is the legacy program? Define it for me. every single person defined it differently like well this is what I think it is you know and that's that's kind of my point like I don't really know if they've even defined it because if you look through history the the term the phrase UFO legacy program was first coined by David Grush actually when he came out that's the first public uh term f first time that the term UFO legacy program is used now before that it was called the program uh then before that there were other thing it never really had a a thing. Um, but what you're saying, I think, is a good foundation to just us start a conversation off of. So, I would agree with how you sort of laid it out for at least us to have uh, you know, the framework for a conversation. Um, for sure. And I might even add, you name some great groups, Department of Energy, the CIA, uh, Defense Contractors, uh, Air Force. I might even argue, you know, I've heard the FBI being involved. Um, right, even other secret organizations that no one even knows about that somehow exists, too. JOC, um, even the Department of Defense, right, uh, to some extent. So, but yes, I think that's a good framework to jump off of. >> Well, so let's start with the Department of Defense because from that perspective, I think that's the easiest one to rationalize. J-AC being involved in this and and anything else is that military's got to be involved. Why? Because the cover up is government related and the cover cover up is at least partially for military reasons. If there's alien technology, I'm just calling it alien technology, but you get the point. If there is some alien technology out there, we're weaponizing it. That just makes logical sense, right? If if I'm a government and we got some secret technology, we're hiding it because we are going to control the world. I mean, people were replying in my post the other day that were going viral about why would you hide it? I mean, and for anyone that would criticize, I say you would hide it, too. If you're the government, you got teleportation technology, wormhole technology, warp drive technology, and you know, exotic energy sources that are possibly free energy. Yeah, you're going to hide that. Of course, you're going to hide it. I think the problem is more of you've been hiding it for like 80 years. You know, you've been hiding this. If this really is true, they've been hiding for so long. And this goes back to the the legacy program and who's a part of it because you would need an entire program to cover up something like that. You need not just scientists and physicists, >> but you also need people like Lou Alzando. You need counterintel guys. >> They actually have officers that are assigned to these uh unagnowledged and probably just normal special access programs. I don't know this for a fact, but they tell this is what they say. Yeah. >> And their whole goal is to like make sure nothing leaks out publicly. >> Correct. >> And then if something does, it's like, okay, well, now you have to figure out what's going to be the action. Do we like discredit that person? Do we like go after them legally? You know, do we do extrajudicial methods, etc. Yeah, >> I think Lu Alzando is part of that. That makes sense from just a conceptual perspective that if there is some secret technology, regardless of origin, that we have this legacy program, whatever you're going to call it, you know, group of people, military involved, that is charged, tasked with controlling it, owning it, and make trying to make sure that it's used responsibly. Because if you look at this, you say, "How can you hide this if you're not going to use it responsibly?" If you, you know, if you're going to teleport a Boeing trip 7, you know, the MH370, that's a civilian airliner. That's not war. You're not using that war. You're not using that to stop a nuke. You're just using that to show off. >> Sure. >> And this is why JC is involved, too, because when you're going to be using, you're not using this in Iran against normal conventional methods. So you're going to use this in special operations where it's covert where people aren't going to see it, where they're not going to know what it is. >> Sure. >> So what are your thoughts on just that kind of the history of that? Because I think Cal Pudof also laid out and I had kind you've I'm sure put this together that we can go from was it ASOP which or ASAP which is like 2008 that that first program to AIP they're claiming that it like turned into AIP and it was called AIP but that wasn't really actually formally named that and then after that it turned into Kona blue and we've seen the Kona blue documents. So there's almost like a timeline at least like six or seven years where you can maybe longer eight years where you can see that you know they were really researching this stuff and there really is something going on. >> Well there's a lot there. Um >> yeah take any way you want lot yeah a lot to respond. >> I guess this this what I would say is what's your major >> argument against there being or against there being a legacy program or a reverse engineering program? What what bring gives you the most pause? >> Well, I I one I've seen no indisputable proof come out. I've heard a lot of people say a lot of things. That is true. A lot of people say a lot of things, but I guess if I was just going to think critically about it logistically. So, okay. So, I'm being told that there's a cover up for 80 years. How many people need to be involved with that? Um, that's hard to estimate, but probably a lot. And then you've got allegedly there's these secret group of military special forces that can pop to anywhere in the world at any time on a moment's notice and recover an alien spacecraft. One, you have no idea how big the spacecraft is. How are you supposed to transport it? Even if the way you transported the last one would not necessarily indicate that that's how you're going to transfer this new one. How does it respond materially to things you show up with? Right? How are you in a in a helicopter? What if it won't allow it? What if it blah blah blah? Um, you know, biologically, how are people responding to this? You know, like I just that that makes no sense. I just don't see how humans could actually prepare for such an advanced technology so far ahead to just be retrieving them all over the place, whether they shot them down or uh or it crashed or it was quote gifted. Um, and I just think of all the people that need to be involved for that. and then they transport it back to some secret location. Um, again, if if it keeps happening, um, how how do you know what to expect from the next craft? How many different species are we talking about? And how do they keep [ __ ] crashing here if that's what's happening? And if we're shooting them down, what kind of [ __ ] weapons are we using um to to do this? Um, so I I just get caught up in just I hear the claim and then I go, "Okay, how does that logistically happen?" I can't figure it out and no one's been able to actually answer that, you know, for me. Um, but what you said beforehand um about how the program would be and this and that like with Lu Alzando and counter intelligence and you would hide the stuff. I agree with that. If this existed, if we had the alien technology, I agree that the pretty much any government I I can think of would hide it um for for good reasons to weaponize it. Just like you said, that's that's what you're going to do. Um to protect um you know, whatever the power is that you have and want to have. Um and I agree that um I've heard the same thing as you you know SAPS and uh special whether it be something similar to a special access program maybe hasn't risen to that level has attached a counter intelligence arm to like you said keep from things getting leaked out um and create u some sort of confusion around what exactly is going on. I mean, I I would just compare it re real world to a um uh you know, PR for a company, right? PR is going to go out and like, okay, we got to tell the story this way and spin it this way and spin it that way so that you really never know what the [ __ ] actually uh happened. Um so, if that is true, then that would be happening. Um, and I think um, Lu Alzando is definitely I mean he's proven in himself that he has that um, history and he fits the bill as another sort of Richard Dodie if you will. My biggest question is are they doing it to cover up actual alien technology or are they doing it to just cover up man-made technology uh, that we've created? And it could be as crazy as the kind of technology you're talking about. Teleportation, whatever. All kinds of different >> hyper advanced stuff that just sounds absolutely insane. Um I just don't I just don't know where the aliens I haven't seen any of the proof of the aliens, but there could be some crazy [ __ ] It's just ours. We just developed it ourselves. >> Yeah. No, I I think that's a possibly a very good uh interpretation of it because let me answer let me do my best to answer your questions. Number one, if they are aliens and they are here, how are they crashing or how are we shooting them down? Answer is electromagnetism, EMPs, andor scalar physics. Because what they've discovered is that electromagnetism and gravity are connected in a way that we conventionally haven't quite figured out yet. So once we figure that out, that key, once we unlock that, then we shoot them with that too and they're going to crash because you hit somebody with their their steering mechanism and it's going to knock them off course like hitting a boat with a wave, right? Or hitting a plane with a a shock wave. It's going to knock it out of the sky. So that's how we theoretically get them. If they crash, which you might say, a lot of people think, well, how could this super advanced technology crash? Well, people make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. It's probably just, you know, it's rare, but it's going to happen eventually. That's why I say like if the universe is old enough, there should be crash ships here. There should be some kind of crash ship on this planet. Maybe it's buried super deep or something, but somebody should have at some point gotten here. >> Um, >> yeah, >> but that we can talk about in a second because I want to get to some of these other points you brought up is that >> you made some really good points there in terms of collecting it and how many people it would take. I think logistically that part's not too much of a problem. You have space force monitoring everything that comes in the sky. something warps in or comes in from outer space and it's you know we're gonna know right away contrary to avibe like if some UFO comes in it's gonna make a 90 degree turn it's not going to space rock oh it made a onederee change or something it's like no it's going to be pretty obvious >> and so they're going to see that and then we would be able to react to it we say oh it crashed over here in the water we're going to pinpoint where it is Navy knows where every whale in the ocean is know where that missing plane is too but >> we're gonna see that and then we're gonna just send some people to go pick it Now, we might if we have that technology, we would use that technology to go pick it up. Which is why I thought Michael Herrera's story actually was kind of compelling. I'm not really sure I fully believe, but he says they came with some kind of weird transportation thing that like picks up stuff they need and then just zoops out. And that they have special forces guys and dressed in black with American accents that come in, grab what they need, and then they're out. I would actually say you would say you the best point I heard you made there was about the logistics was well how would you know if it's like toxic or biohazardous or radioactive and the answer to that though I would say is well you would prepare for all those eventualities but the number one you are definitely concerned about is radioactivity because almost certainly it's got to be nuclear some form of nuclear energy fishing or fusion most likely fusion or something like that that the aliens are So you would definitely be concerned about In fact, this is why I think >> you would just treat it just like a broken arrow situation. >> You ever see that movie broken arrow? >> Yeah. >> Where the the nuclear weapon goes astray? >> This is the same kind of situation where it's like if you have a UFO that crashes, you would treat it like a nuclear weapon that's gone >> missing. So however it's done, I don't know how that logistic works, but I would bet >> that it's pretty much the same. Now, one last thought I want to give you on that front and let you respond is the Department of Energy, which we're assuming or I'm assuming is a part of this whole cover up. I'm assuming they figured out fusion. Maybe they figured out from aliens or whatever, but that's why the DOE is in this when they they got tired of fighting uh restricted data, leaks of classified information from like the Manhattan Project. And what they realized was the best approach was to not address it at all. Like if somebody says something as true as either, don't even say anything because if you do, then people will realize like, oh, that that was what was true. That was the secret to the nuclear bomb. Right? So when nuclear weapons leaked, in fact, there's a big story about nuclear weapons leaking, they didn't do anything. They didn't actually attack the guy at all because they realized if they attacked him, they would be validating what he was saying. So, it's better to just not have people know the truth by just never all they have to do is simply never say. Kind of weird. >> Sure. >> Speaks to how they kind of covered this up and and kind of hid this is that it's not necessarily even some cases an act of denial. Just as long as you don't admit anything, people are just guessing and they never know. >> Well, ambiguity is is the, you know, your best friend when you're trying to keep people from knowing the truth, right? is just keep it ambiguous. Um, which is I think how I would describe the entire UFO topic in general. Ambiguous. You never know what the [ __ ] is going on. Um, on purpose um, for whatever reason. I I don't know. Um, you know, because one, I I want this to be real, dude. I I don't know about you. I don't know how you feel about those things, but like I got interested in this topic because I'm like, UFOs, aliens, let's go. This sounds great. I I I would love to have my reality shattered and uh because I don't think we're alone in the universe. So, the idea of actually knowing that and us somehow having new knowledge, I'm a very curious person. I love what's around the corner rather than what I can see. Um but yeah, there there's a few things I would push back on and not necessarily because I'm knowledgeable about it, just my curiosity um would would want to push back on a few things. So, um, I would say, okay, you know, we we figured out a way how their steering works, so we're this how we're shooting them down. I mean, I guess I don't know how I really feel about that. Um, I would need to see proof that that's how these craft work. And and again, if they're different species and different style of craft, how do you know that same weapon is always going to work on this? And if you're talking how far advanced these species would be, I don't know if that could work. If they're bending spaceime and coming in through wormholes and portals and this and that and teleporting, wouldn't they see wouldn't they have sort of systems on their platform that could recognize that just like F-15 fighters and [ __ ] know like, oh, missiles coming and they they do all these, you would know they're about to shoot something at you. Just teleport somewhere else. you just go somewhere else and and and [ __ ] get out of the way. Uh but you know, I'm also talking on my ass here. I don't [ __ ] know. Um and you know, I hear you about the you would you would prepare for each sort of scenario. Okay, that and that makes sense. That's a good push back from you and I I I can appreciate that. But I I would again just argue my same point. You just you couldn't prepare for every scenario because you wouldn't know what every scenario is. So you can prepare up to a point, right? Firefighters can prepare up to a point to go to a burning building. Uh but things are going to happen you just can't prepare for. That's that's why you prepare so much so that you react, you know, by muscle memory. Um and I think if you're dealing with technologies that are just so far removed from how our mind could even think about them, um I just don't know how you could prepare. Now, that doesn't mean that you don't prepare all the way and then you just go out and try to do this and maybe you've been successful up to this point. But in my opinion, over the last 80 years, from the amount of crashes that I've heard that has happened from different whistleblowers and insiders, you've got it right every time. Like, you never ran into a situation where you, [ __ ] we can't move this, we can't get it, we can't approach it, we can't nothing. You know, that seems just a little odd to me that that that hasn't happened yet. And I agree with you that, you know, an advanced technology, oh, how could they crash? I I agree. I totally agree with what you're saying on that. Like, I say my response is pretty much the same as yours. Like, well, things happen. No matter how advanced you are, like mistakes are going to happen. But are they going to happen? Are they going to crash that much? I mean, at that point, the aliens got to look at themselves and say, "We need to have a meeting, y'all. We keep applying to Earth and we just keep [ __ ] crashing. We need a new model, dog. We You know what I mean? we need to upgrade the [ __ ] systems because [ __ ] you know, we're not training our pilots well enough or whatever. Um, but again, that then you would have to quantify how many are crashes, how many are are we're shooting down, which you would have no control over, you know, and how many are gifted, if you will. So, anyway, I I could blab. Yeah, I think you make a good argument that it's hard to a quantify and then also rationalize um the crash retrievalss. Why would there be so many crashing? Like why are there so many stories of crash retrievals? Why is that the main theme? I I would say I'm equally as critical of that narrative, especially when you look at it. And what I would tell people is this. First of all, the physics is the same for everybody. So, this is what people got to start in the UFO community especially start to understand. The aliens don't have secret physics in a Pandora's box that they break out. Okay, now we can here's the Popeye's spinach. I'm going to eat it and power up. It's like no, they're they're in the same reality we're in here, guys. So, like if they know something about the world, we can know it, too. It's not some secret unknowable thing. >> That's what I think people got to get their head around because >> that means however the aliens are doing it, we can do that, too. we just haven't figured out the material science or we just haven't looked at the universe the right way, you know, whatever that might take. >> Yeah, I agree. >> Um, >> with respect to the the weapons and how they avoid it, I would push back and say conventional weapons should not be a threat for the same exact reasons you said. Whatever guidance system you have in your warp drive, it's got to be able to detect stuff faster than light because you're moving faster than light. So, how is it going to be able to detect something? Otherwise, you're going to show up on top of something. And they actually do talk about this is that in theory, you could be able to like kind of you're going to essentially feel the gravitational pull of objects even though you're traveling through the extra dimension is how I interpret it. So, there has to be some way to be like, "Oh, I can tell there's a pull over here and I got to got to go against it." So, they should be able to avoid that part. I agree with. But if you're using the their own technology, then you're also using faster than light potential technology, quantum technology, quantum. So that would be something they would be weak against. >> And that's why I think that >> if they're telling the truth about this crash retrieval stuff and we're it's probably that we're shooting them down. Not that they're crashing, but we're like, "Oh, we're just shooting our scalar beams around." And it's like, "Oh, we hit one accidentally." Like we're fishing out here, you know? We're just shooting our scalar beam around. We knocked one out of the sky. Whoops. I didn't even know that dude was there. Like maybe where they're just trying to shoot past us on the highway and they're like, "Dude, you [ __ ] You hit me with that." >> And that's kind of a funny thought, but like that could be true that we are these monkeys that are trying to they're learning this technology and we don't even know what the hell we're doing. Like we don't even know how power works and electricity really works. We just we just use it. >> So >> that that that is fair. Um, well, let me let me say one thing because I, you know, I do want to move on, but I'll I'll forget because I'm I'm low IQ, okay? So, I got to keep these things at the back of my brain here. Me, too. >> Um, so I read um a defense intelligence research document. Is that it? The dirt. >> Look at you. Look at that out here. >> No, no, bro. No one No one get excited. I could barely say that. >> You've already You've already elevated yourself amongst all the rest of the eupfologists in my mind. And there you go. >> I've exhausted half my energy just saying those words together. Um >> it was on my notes right here like you seeing it. Wow. >> I I looked at I looked over the document um and um especially the one that I saw you share and I saw that you were talking about the um advanced [ __ ] oh what was it called dude? Um >> was it the spaceimetric engineering one or >> advanced space propulsion based on vacuum? the space-time metric engineer >> aloud's paper. Yeah. >> Yeah. That that was allegedly I guess formulated from OAP potentially. Um but >> absolutely. Yeah. Go ahead. >> Something that I found interesting about that um the only reason I bring it up is because we were talking about well okay if they if they're using their own technology to shoot them down like you know it'd be hard to have a defense against that. Okay. So and I don't know I'm actually want to just get your thoughts on this. This isn't really a push back. I'm just curious like >> Yeah. So, in that if I read it correctly, which I'm sure I didn't, uh, because I'm [ __ ] stupid and don't understand science like that, but they they they have an ability to, if you know, according to that was theoretical, but you'd have a spacecraft that can basically flip everything on its head. So, you know, time is different, space is different, right? gravity is different. A lot of mass becomes the sort of negative mass. Like a lot of different things would would just be the almost the complete opposite or the inverse of it. So I almost think even if you even if we had some sort of technology that could quote shoot something or whatever, like I I guess you really wouldn't even be shooting anything if time is running at a different speed almost not even happening. There is no time. Like I I just don't even know how that fight happens. Does that make sense? Like I guess I can't square that away in my head how there's even movement and how there's even a fight happening. So let first let me play this clip because you you you just >> would like to enter in I understand now that this is unclassified and it's public record but as we all know that's sometimes difficult for the public to get a hold of a report defense intelligence uh reference documents advanced space propulsion based on vacuum space-time metric engineering some light reading for some of our members. >> Without objection. >> Thank you. >> Some light reading there for some of our members. There you go. That was you. Bro, Burchchett, guarantee you Burchchett and I both uh read that like holy [ __ ] Like we had the same reaction like god damn it, you know. Dad gum it. What's going on with this paper here? Dagnub it. So you were pretty close. Now here's the rub. The speed of light. The speed of light is not constant. The speed of light equals 1 divided by the square root of the electric per permitivity times the magnetic permeability. That's the core of how Pudaf's argument. How Pudaf's saying what we see as the speed of light as a constant in an empty vacuum. C. >> We can manipulate that. How do we manipulate that? We manipulate the medium. If we change the medium, we change the permeability and the permitivity. Now if you change the permitivity and permeability in that equation, it doesn't just flip things on its head. It actually changes the value of G, it changes the value of gravity, makes it weaker or makes it stronger. So what Halutoff's saying in that paper is he's saying the physical reality, the nature of our reality, the physics of our reality changes when you change the permitivity of spaceime. The reason why everything works the way that we see it work is because our spaceime is relatively static. We don't see it changing a lot, flipping a lot. >> But if we start messing around with electromagnetism, we can actually do that. >> And then the logical point, what the what you were actually getting at, I think, is like, well, if you do this, you kind of get a runaway effect. >> We're like, okay, I start to manipulate gravity now. It takes less and less energy to manipulate gravity more and more and more. And you're like, wait a minute. So wait, I keep inputting a little bit of energy. It takes less energy to build this thing up. You know, imagine in your mind just some random thing of energy. And this is exactly what Salvatore Pais has been getting at. This is what everybody's been getting at. Amplification of energy from nothing. Free energy from nothing. That idea opens the door up to free energy because you're like, "Wait, holy [ __ ] If Hal Pud's right, we start manipulating spaceime changing the laws of physics." The way I think of it is like just couple atoms. When we're trying to do fusion, these atoms don't want to come together because they're repelling each other. We have this koolon barrier and they're like, "No, I can't." It's like two magnets. They're like they're they don't want to come together. They're the same polarity. But when we start messing with the laws of physics, doing what Halaputo says, changing the uh permeability of the vacuum, suddenly they start to get closer. Why? Because we weakened that nuclear that weak force. We reduce the coolum barrier. So when you do this suddenly at some point everything will just come together. And this is why when you have gravity manipulation like this how this is why his paper is so significant is that right away you realize like holy [ __ ] if you can do this fusion should be like child's play pretty much like you just start manipulating gravity and things are just going to start coming together much easier than they normally would. So you were really close on that. That's why Hal Pudof. And you think about what I just said there and you're like, "Wait, Hal Pudof wrote that? That this is the guy that's like patting Avi Loe on the shoulder. You're gonna figure out the UFOs, Avi. Well, show me Avi Loe's space-time metric engineering paper, you know?" So, this is my core argument for why he's got to be he can't just be some dude that was investigating this. He's the guy that wrote all the papers. It was the core foundational ideas for why this is such a big deal. Yeah, but you know as far as I understand that paper is just theoretical and it's about the engineering of these ideas and and you know one thing is to have an idea of you know saying I mean as an example as a very is a very um you know short-minded example okay I can imagine humans on the surface of Mars but okay engineering wise how do we make that happen right? You know, so there can be a theory about how something can happen. I I just don't know. I I don't I don't think that paper explains the effects of what you come up with. You so you can theorize something can happen. Even if you engineered it, you don't know what the effects would be after you've created that thing and after you start messing with quote gravity and the speed of light and these sort of systems, you know, I don't know, maybe I'm I'm wrong. >> This paper actually does explain the effects. You need to go double check it. There's actually I think a graph that explains what all the different various physical effects would be from a modification permeability. Yeah. So it does explain the effect but what it doesn't do doesn't tell you how to engineer it. Like to your point it says it gives you the foundational framework says look at the speed of light look at the permitivity and permeability which gives us now a connection to uh you know conductors semiconductors. We actually see these behaviors in solid metals, not just in spaceime, but you see these these same behaviors in solid objects and metals as well. So it gives us an idea on how we can pull it off. And then this is why people have taken it to the next level. Specifically, this is the book that everybody needs to read is faster and light by David Frroning. He was one of these engineers. He's passed away now. He knew how Pudaf, Eric Davis, all those guys. But it's so crazy. You just go to like the uh the end of this in his appendixes. And right in there in the appendix, what is there's the paper. >> That's that paper. Yeah, >> that's Al Pudov's paper right there. >> But but again, isn't it and maybe I'm wrong here, you know, you know, >> clearly I'm I'm not very smart about this, but I guess I'm I'm still >> even if he even if he's putting it in the paper of this is what the effects will be, he has really no idea, right? It's all theor it's all theoretical. So you don't really know if that's correct. >> No, it's not. So I wouldn't put it like that. It's not like someone said, "Hey, here's a theoretical idea like ER equals EPR. I think a wormhole is equal in uh you know quantum tunneling and I don't and I just say that I don't have any math for it or whatever." That would just be a theoretical idea. I just like the idea of entanglement. It seems like it's similar to a wormhole. That's not what Hal Put's doing. Halff actually mathematically shows that we can derive from first principles gravity using electromagnetism. He's actually this is actually a unification theory as well. You have to read probably the rest of his papers to fully get a a grasp of it. But his uh ground state of the hydrogen atom and gravity is a zero point fluctuation force. He actually shows that the math is consistent. And that's what I thought thought was most interesting because these were the first papers I read and I kind of like you didn't really know what was going on with this. But nobody's ever been able to like refute it. They just say, "Well, we just don't like it because we don't want to add an extra dimension or well you can't really extract zero point energy, but we can." You know, it's just and it goes to show that the answers are actually just out there in plain sight. Like this isn't just a simple theoretical model. This is an mathematical model that works from first principles that the math is straight up right there. Anyone can contest it. Same with Salvatore Py who references Hal Put in his papers. >> Sure. >> And people just don't they don't do it. So I want to go back real quick to a point because this is on on on topic. You said, you know, I want this to be I want this stuff to be real. I just want proof. You know, it's funny because I'm the opposite. Like, I have already had my reality shattered. I don't want this to be real. I wish this wasn't real. I wish the MA370 videos were just like >> visual effects or some [ __ ] Because you think back at what I just said about the implications of how Pudaf's papers and the math and you're like, wait, this is free energy. This is like that's you can easily imagine a doomsday weapon. any situation you're like, I'm putting a little energy in and I have to put less and less energy in to get a bigger and bigger output, you're like, oh, you could easily make a doomsday weapon out of that, you know? And I go, I don't want this to be real. And then the bigger implication from the alien perspective is I don't actually ever need to even be proven. I don't ever need to see an alien body. I know that aliens are out there. How do I know aliens are out there? Cuz we got space-time manipulation technology. Like humans do. Humans used it. I don't know where it came from. doesn't matter cuz I know that means aliens must exist. Like we can teleport through spaceime. Like that was the number one reason why people didn't think aliens were here. They're like it's too far away. That's the number one reason I didn't think aliens were here. I'm like it's too far away. Now I'm like to your point if the aliens exist and they're so advanced. Like why are they crashing? They should just be be able to invisible. Now I'm going oh actually it's cuz we're just ants. We're just like literally ants. Why would they come visit the ants? Like they've got super advanced technology. They probably got like suits that just like make them invisible all the time, right? Like that's how advanced they're going to end up being. That's the crazy thing about aliens. We've been thinking like way too small. Once you open this door up and you're going wormhole technology, warp drive technology, free energy technology. Heck, Charles Chase was talking about Star Trek replicator technology. Kind of a replicator. Like, okay, well, this this reality that we're living in, this is we're not even close to the apex. That's what that means. H that's interesting. Um, are there any Okay, so I I you know, an example I guess I would ask you if you if you light a fire on a patch of grass and after the fire you put the fire out, it's black, right? Like you can see ash and char. Are there if if this technology is being used, teleportation, space-time manipulation, are there any effects left after something like that is used? >> So, here's the thing about >> if you will, >> when you're manipulating t spaceime, you're manipulating time, but it works the way like it worked in in interstellar time dilation. This is the big rub about it is that it's not like, hey, I'm going forward in time and now I'm just going to go like backwards in time, right? It's not like that. The real time manipulation is a dial. >> It's a dial where I'm changing this side of the screen and then you're controlling that side of screen. If I change my dial, I'm going to go really slow or I'm gonna go really fast and I can talk really fast like this. Like you change your dial like that. That's how time manipulation would work. And now you would say, okay, in that perspective, um, an impulse drive would be like the EM drive, like you're barely turning the dial a little bit. You a little bit of movement. A warp drive would be like, okay, let's crank this up a little bit. Now we're like war where now we're pulling ourselves through space, which is what Michael Shelonburgger didn't understand on Twitter the other day when he's saying the tic tac can't move 80,000 feet in a few seconds. That's physically impossible. It's like, well, that's Miguel Alubberry's warp drive metric. That's the whole point. And then if you really turn that up, like you just crank it all the way up to the maximum, then that's a wormhole. Then you've broken through the barrier, the limit, which I didn't even know there was one, but there is. It's called the swinger limit. And that's what Salvator Pis keeps talking about. You break through this limit, and now the arrow of time is broken. And now the question is, can we go back in time with this? Like if we have space time manipulation technology, first question everyone should ask everyone. First of all is what what's your energy source? But second one is, okay, now that we have your energy source, can you go back in time with this? Like that's what every the math seems to indicate you should be able to. But take a look at those durs. The other one you're going to want to check out is the quantum entanglement one written by John Kramer of University of Washington. I would guarantee he was one of these legacy program engineers. Howal Pudof admitted in that UAP Gerb interview that some of those papers authors were legacy program. That's the first time I heard him say that. I've been screaming there that they are even though I didn't even know what legacy program was. And John Kramer is the one that basically says that they tested this. He knows these, you know, quantum entanglement experiments better than anyone on the earth. And he says that nature basically prevents the retrocausality that even if you set up the experiment in a way where you would go back in time, like it'll like blow up. It'll just it'll not work. Basically, that nature prevents that from happening. And he has a whole interpretation. He calls it transactional interpretation where he's saying we don't really understand the double slit experiment. He's like what's really happening in reality is like the future and the past are talking to each other and they're deciding what can be true, what can exist, what can be real. >> Interesting. And you think about from that perspective of like and you might appreciate this from having researched psionics and what have you is that this is a completely different understanding compared to like the wave function is breaking down because we observed it. John Kramer would be like no it's not. He's like the future is looking and being like the future is going saying you looked and because you looked now I have to act like a particle instead of acting like a wave. And it's looking in the past and the future are talking and then it's changing the outcome. And you say, "Okay, if this is true, it may be that we can't go back in time, but we could still teleport. We could still have like instantaneous pointto-oint teleportation. We just can't go back in time." >> How crazy is that? Go ahead. >> No, for sure. Um, so no, I This is so interesting. Um, listening to this, I mean, first of all, I, you know, checking out any more science papers is not going to do me any good, bro. It's like looking at [ __ ] Chinese, you know? It's It's not going to help. >> That's why I'm here, man. That's for that's for >> well yeah that's for smarter people to uh to to look at. Um but um so I I guess so is there evidence of these things happening like does it leave behind a trace or or something? I guess that's what I'm trying to trying to figure out. Like you know when the MH370 happened did it leave behind a a signal or something some sort of effect that we could then measure? Um, right. And if it's happening a lot, wouldn't wouldn't we see these measurements everywhere? Like is the is the MH370 incident the only time that technology was used? The teleportation with the orbs. Is that the only >> This is another great question. You're saying like how could we detect this and and why aren't we seeing this? And this almost goes back to the the Firmeny paradox is if if we have warp drive, if warp drive technology is possible, whether or not we have it, the aliens should have it. Where are the aliens? Where the hell are all Why don't we see them everywhere? Where are the mega structures? Where's all the stuff going on? >> And the answer is we we are going to see them. This is one of my predictions is that the moment we start looking for warp drives for high frequency gravitational waves. We've been searching LIGO, the gravitational detector. >> It's been searching for low frequency gravitational waves like neutron stars collapsing. like a it's not looking for like a warp ship flying around. That's going to be a high frequency a laboratory produced gravitational wave. >> So you think about this you go it's just like the people's thought at SETI we're just not looking for the right signals at all. We're looking for plain radio signals and electromagnetic signals. We should be looking for gravitational signals because that's how the aliens are communicating. That's how the aliens are traveling around. And I think the moment we start changing looking for high frequency gravity, we're going to see warp drives everywhere. We're going to be like, "Oh [ __ ] there was one that just popped out there. That guy just went into a worm wormhole over there." And we're going to see that signature. Why? Because look at that MH370. You see that flash? >> There's a flash of light being released, which is either like X-ray or gamma ray radiation. Oh, you better believe you can detect that kind of stuff. Now, you have to be know to look for it because it's only split second and you have to know what you're trying to find. But yeah, you could definitely detect it, but you're not going to necessarily see like, you know, the traces of a mutilated alien, you know, ammonia from the alien or whatever they say in the UFO thing. It's going to be more of science-based detectors. And this is another one of those. I think he was a dirt author. Robert MLB Baker, Bob Baker, friends with Gary Stevenson. He was brought up on the Jason committee by Ron Pandalfi for leaking highfrequency gravitational wave secrets to China. Uh he got off but they attacked him over it. But this is why because high frequency gravitational waves is basically our other way of looking at it's like the next level past electromagnetism using gravity for telescopes, communication methods, propulsion obviously energy is going to come into play because of what I explained. Um, so those durs are vitally important, which is why I was so happy you brought them up because my core argument is if you're looking for the legacy program, and this is honestly a message to Congressman Berles, you should be looking at the authors of those durs. How Pudof said that's the legacy program. You look at those guys and all the questions that you're asking, they're all answered in there. Now, yes, is it coded in a bunch of physics language? Absolutely, it is. That's why I spent three years trying to decode it, understand it so that I could explain it in a normal way because if you go to Eric Davis, you get a bunch of gobbly [ __ ] basically, which is like how he responds as opposed to a normal person explaining it. But in those papers, you have the ER equals EPR, you have the warp drives, wormholes, quantum energy extraction. But then to your point, how do you actually engineer it? They have that in there too. You just don't see it right away. air breathing magneto hydrodnamics. Had you ever even heard of that before seen those days? I don't think anyone on earth because that's some alien [ __ ] because there you go. They're talking about how you use mag um magnetism to manipulate a plasma to manipulate spaceime directly. So those dirts have >> they learned that from aliens? >> Well, I don't agree that we necessarily learned it from aliens. None of those papers are about aliens. None of them are like, "Oh, there's four different kinds of uh aliens and one of them is the reptilians and one of them's the grays." Which is why I'm the to me personally, if you force me to pick, I'm going to say that they're just they use the aliens as a cover up. Like that's the most obvious. Like just like you said, you throw a bunch of [ __ ] out there and then nobody knows what's true anymore and now you can just build your Tesla technology in secret and all you figured out was that space wasn't an empty vacuum. All of this just goes back to space isn't an empty vacuum. That's all they had to figure out. >> Do you think Hal Put Off is the one that figured this stuff out and he wrote that paper or, you know, how did they figure this stuff out to even write that paper? Do you think it was a team? How how far back do you think that goes? >> Uh, it goes to the Manhattan Project, I think. And I think I and Salvador Pis and I both agree, we've spoken privately, that I think Edward Teller handed the keys to Hal Hudof. I think this is all nuclear weapons secrets. Like, like I said, the Broken Arrow thing, everything about this screams nuclear weapons, the energy sources, the Department of Energy being involved in it, it all screams fusion. Like, we already knew we had fishing and atom bombs. We know we made a fusion bomb, but then we banned them right afterwards. We probably have just had fusion and crazy advanced technology. When we figured out fusion and we were using plasma in our nuclear weapons, we probably accidentally manipulated spaceime. That's probably why we banned nuclear weapons is we were like, "Hey, we did these high altitude nuclear weapons tests that were super efficient and we're like, oh [ __ ] did that like create like a gravitational lensing effect?" Like, that shouldn't have happened. And then you're like, >> that Yeah, exactly. Like be careful with that and then like ban this forever and like make sure nobody ever talks about this ever again. >> And so I think it goes all the way back. I think the secrecy got like too far. Like it's too much where now even to your point like >> Yeah. and no one will believe anything. Like like you you're like I'm not going to believe until they prove it. And like even if they admit those MH370 videos are real, I'm still like not 100% sure cuz I don't even know if I can trust the government anymore. Like that's the sad point we're in. >> That's true. That Yeah, that's a good point. That I mean that's a fair point. um you know do you think that um so the technology that's used or the technology that you think is displayed in the MH370 videos does it stem from the same equations and ideas or is it something different? >> It's exactly the same. I mean it's exactly this guy's unlabored acceleration. That's what's so crazy is this book, if you know what you're looking for, this book is a chapter by chapter figuring out. Chapter four is on a neutronic fusion plasma, producing a dense plasma focus, which is these plasma balls. You're just making this big ball of plasma, this stable ball of plasma. And that's just electromagnetism, pure electromagnetism. You needed a medium to manipulate that permeability. The plasma is your medium because now you just turn that region where the plasma is into your own medium that you can manipulate the permeability. But the craziest part, this is a little bit deep into the physics, but it's mentioned here, is all the conventional fusion companies have been doing fusion wrong, is that there's a ratio called beta in plasma, which is like the magnetic hopefully I'm not doing this wrong. The magnetic pressure trying to push out or push in and the Yeah, the magnetic trying magnetic fields trying to push in and the plasma pushing the magnetic fields out. And if you get to a perfect ratio, you can imagine you have this plasma where the magnetic fields have been pushed out of the plasma and they're like creating a bubble where the magnetic fields are like kind of in a line around the bubble of plasma. And when this happens, according to Jack Nampa, an Air Force research lab paper from the '9s, this pushes out 0 point energy too. And this is huge because that means that this plasma condition, this plasmoid, which you were mentioning before, this is interacting with zero point energy. This is doing what the casemir effect is doing with the plates, but it's doing it with plasma with a bubble. >> And you would say, okay, well then now if I just spin this around, this should in theory just be coherent energy straight out of the vacuum because just like >> and that's what's in the videos are these these plasma balls you're talking about is >> nicely. And this is just lays it out chapter by chapter and it's crazy. And then it builds up to the actual teleportation. Now, the secret of the teleportation. >> I'll check out that book. That's interesting. >> Yeah. The teleportation is unlabored acceleration. It's called unlabored because then this is how I know it's him. Is that in this model of a wormhole, your object can't be accelerating. Think about that. That's really, really weird. It has to be moving at ex a constant speed. And in fact, the orbs are perfectly vertical around the plane. They're creating a frame of reference where's my plane here where if you were actually on the plane, it would just look like you're not moving at all. It would just look like there's just three orbs spinning around you right from your own frame of reference. And that's exactly what's required for unlabored acceleration. You have to have constant momentum, >> meaning your object has to be moving perfectly uh same exact speed. And you think about that, that's such a weird specific detail. And it's exactly what you see in the MH370 videos. Plane turns around, straightens out, and then is moving at constant speed when the orbs perfectly go vertical and make the perfect frame of reference for it. And the reason for this is because everything is conserved. Energy is conserved, momentum is conserved. This plane's definitely coming out on the other side. It's definitely coming out at the exact same speed that it came in. It's a low energy phase transition. All the classic physicists that think that you need this huge amount of energy to make a wormhole. That's where they were wrong. Is that they figured out like no, we can just make like a bubble. You make a bubble and then the spaceime itself will just shoot the bubble over here. Kind of like blowing bubble in a water and the bubble just shoots up to the top. >> Same idea with this is they found out a very efficient low energy way to produce this. And that's why I say come on like from my perspective I'm going um this guy's explaining exactly what I'm seeing and there's nobody else. This guy was also David Frroning in his own words in 1985 the first person to propose that extracting 0 point energy would also give propulsion. So to one of your questions before or your points before about how would this all work in terms of like the inversion of the physics, you actually have to imagine that we're in a bath of energy and that we're sitting on top of this bath of energy. And so if I were to add mass like the mass of Jupiter, it's going to create this huge peak. But if I were to actually pull zero point energy out or push it away like the plasma does the beta, it's going to actually make a valley. And this valley is I'm going to be pulled towards this valley. Now, if I make this valley deeper and deeper and deeper, that's a warp drive. If I make it all the way and crack through the bottom, that's a wormhole. So, this is the idea of zero point energy. So, when you're pulling energy out, you get free energy. >> You get air conditioning actually out of this, too, which is weird. And then you also get propulsion mechanism. And all these things, it's not like you get one or the other. You always get all of them. That's the rub with this. That's why when you see like the spinning superconductors why the rate the weight gets reduced or why you might see on some of these uh magnetic motors they get they start getting colder. You're like how is that getting colder when it's spinning around? There should be friction heating it up but it's getting colder because it's interacting with the zero point energy. So for people that would say how do I determine what's real or what's not? Follow the physics. Follow what I just told you there. Follow those scientific papers. If what you're seeing is consistent with what the physics says, could be real, right? >> Sure. Um I I have a couple questions real quick. Um >> yeah, this has been good. Keep going. >> One is um the orbs in the video. I It's been so long since I've seen those videos. Um you definitely know them. So that's why I'm asking you. >> Take me through the process of of this event happening real real quick. And then I have a a you know a larger question. But um so where do the orbs originate and make its way to do they just come out of thin air around the crown or they where do they >> look like come out of the water? >> The first two I mean we can't tell. They look like they come from the side. So they come off screen. The second one comes out of the water for sure from the bottom. You can kind of see it shoot up before it connects with the others. So I imagine it's just a drone that like a something you shoot out of a cannon and then it spins up once it turns on the plasma inst ionizes the air plasma builds up around it instantly. So it's probably like a smaller device on the inside but the plasma will just bubble around it the moment it starts and this is an air breathing magneto hydrodnamic device. Why? Because the air breathing mechanism refers to the fact there's no onboard engine on it and that it's using the air itself as a form of fuel. It can turn the air into plasma and use the plasma as part of the mixture inside to produce the fusion process. Now, it's not the key element. It's not going to be like the catalyst or whatever of the actually maybe the cat. It's going to be one of the elements of the fusion process, not going to be the main one. But that's why these lines sticking out are so huge because they're also using a magnetic mirror system which is one of the department of energy's uh main areas of research is that essentially you trap your light inside of your a mirror and it just bounces back and forth and amplifies or whatever they need to do to it. In this case, undulate it. And this is how they're creating these what we would call like anti-gravity effects. So, so there's >> there's something inside of that plasma ball like some sort of >> Yeah, it's going to be like this. >> You got to check out chapter uh five on this I think where they talk about air breathing magneto hydrodnamics and working on this >> and check out the ion pumpy thing by Ashton or by um for Ashton by TMB spaceships >> because it's actually a very simple model. I think they ionize the air, they pull the plasma in, they they put some seed gas of uh whatever they need for their fusion process, and they have an undulator, which is like reversed magnetic fields. The idea of the reverse magnetic fields is you want to get everything to be aligned, everything perfectly uh linked up. And so what that does is all the particles that are shooting through there, they get trapped and they all start undulating in a perfect rhythm. And then the idea is you have these perfect rhythms hit each other, create fusion. The byproduct of your fusion is these lines coming out of it. That's why you see these dark lines. That's like X-rays or >> something that are coming out of this. So, >> have you seen this effect anywhere else besides these videos? >> No, never actually. Which is crazy because it goes to show this [ __ ] must be very deep, man. Like really deep. Like even Dylan Borland is out here going those videos are fake. Dylan Borland was supposedly where was he at? Langley and supposedly saw like a black triangle and you're going and you think the videos are fake. Like the people that are seeing triangles don't think these videos are real. The people that are the UFO whistleblowers don't think these videos are real. Like this must be something that actually is legitimately super deeply buried as in like the people that know is very compartmentalized and they will and it must be a situation where from a moral perspective they feel like they're doing the right thing. Because like if there were people that thinking we're doing something evil, they would be talking about they would come out going, "Oh man, we made this teleportation technology, you know, whatever." But no, they're going, "This is dangerous." Like Tucker Carlson had this clip where he said, this was like last week, he was speaking to somebody high in a previous administration, a Democrat, and he said, "You know, there's there's one thing that I know that I would never say." And he says, "Well, why, you know, Tucker, why would you never say it?" Because it would be the end of the world. and you're like, "Oh [ __ ] he knows about zero point energy." That's the kind of thing like that's how big this is. Like if you're the president, you read the envelope and you find out we got zero point energy. It can blow up the world. And yes, we can teleport stuff, but it can blow up the world. You're like, "Ah shit." Like what do I do with this information, right? Like that's the level I think of the of secrecy involved in this. Which is why, you know, the UFO people, I think, are also being misled because it's so deep that it's even easy to li for them to lie and come up these stories and ideas of, oh, we can't the government doesn't know what that is. That's that has to be aliens, right? Because we don't have anything like that. The answer is no. It's just deep so high. And people say, okay, where is it buried? Because I think these are all legitimate questions that should be asked. Okay, where? It's in the peds, the presidential emergency action documents. Like that's exactly where you write this [ __ ] And what did I say? It's all about nuclear weapons. End of the world. Like those are the documents where oh, we get into nuclear winter. What do we do? What are the what am I allowed to do without, you know, congressional authorization? That's where you're going to say we got the warp the warp drive technology. We're going to teleport a new to the Kremlin. You know, that's where they're going to hide it. Which is also why I'd say Eric Davis. This guy Eric Davis is a liar, but he also tells the truth. And it's hard because he's an unreliable narrator. But when he starts dropping physics knowledge and documents about information about the peds and and where is that's when people should be listening it up because that's where I'm sure the spooks are going shut up Eric shut up. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um Oh well I I yeah kind of a um Eric Davis is very interesting for sure. Um I can see from your perspective what you know what what you're attracted to about what he says. For sure. Um you're definitely more science focused than than I am, dude. Uh, but um, you know, I didn't even know we'd get into the MH370 and I'm not trying to bombard you here. I'm just curious because I honestly just haven't talked about it in so long, like to be honest with you. Um, so you've never seen this this demonstration of this technology other than these what you think is happening in these videos. Never seen anywhere else or any evidence of this happening anywhere else. So why why bring it out for this moment? Yeah. I mean, that's where I think they abused the technology. I think this was like some blemish. They should never be broken out either. They're doing >> I think they regret having done it like, "Oh [ __ ] >> now, but they probably did that even then." Like two aspects. One is they're doing this all the time and they're just getting away with it all the time and they're just never getting caught. >> Or number two is they broke this out in some weird covert operation because they were cocky or what have you and they just never thought it would leak, right? And they just never thought they would get caught and then they did. It's almost like God intervened. It was like, "Sorry, >> sure. >> You're going to slip up eventually." Sort of. >> Look at it. Like this is this is almost the power of God himself, right? Like this is how powerful this technology is. And you would think if you are going to hide it, you have this great responsibility to not misuse it. You know, I mean, if you are going to say, "Hey, this is this is the end of the world. This is the end of the world technology. We have to hide it." Then you better be not morally dubious about using it too, right? Like if you're going to use it for evil and then also cover it up >> now you don't really you've kind of lost your justification for hiding it. You're like, "Oh, we had to hide it because we were keeping you safe, but now we're going to teleport civilian airliners." Like what, dude? Like no. >> So no. >> How far do you think it goes back? Like how how long do you think they've had that technology? >> Well, look at uh what was it? The Eldrich the Project Rainbow Philadelphia experiment. Like that was in the 40s, dude. 40s and that had >> supposedly Einstein, Tesla, and Thomas Townson Brown all connected to it. >> And I'm just looking at that going, >> that kind of has to be real if we have teleportation. But the hard part is that was the 40s. I'm going that was almost a hundred years ago. But look at those, if you look at those orbs in those videos, you know, most people look at it and they always say, Ashton thinks aliens have to plane. The reason why people say that is because that is so much more advanced than we are at right now. But you say that had to have been decades of advancement like working in parallel alongside of the public. That wasn't they just figured that out like a year ago and they're like, "Okay, time to break this out on an airplane." No, that's and that's not just one person, some mad evil genius that figured out some plasma orbs. That's decades of institutional knowledge being passed down and being weaponized in the black world. That's what those videos represent. Which is why I love them so much because not only is there no way the government can say that that's not them, like oh that this is what I was saying the other day on streams like the those orbs are aliens. They have to feed once every 27 years and it just turned out that they were feeding on that plane and we just happened to be recording on two drones. We were just out here checking it out and now they went back to sleep and we have to wait another 27 years. It's like no, there's nothing they can deny. And it proves there's like a super long cover up. They didn't use some tiny weapon on it. And if it was just the orbs, you could be like, "Okay, well, does that really even prove gravity manipulation? Maybe it's just smart use of electromagnetism, right?" You'd be like, "Yeah, okay. They got some orbs. That's not big." But they teleport the plane. It's just not there anymore. You're like, "Oh, okay. So, that's like decades of covering up science and technology, not not some short thing." And that's why I look back at and you realize like >> they have to have people that are out there in the public that are just lying and misleading people like to have a cover up that's that long. And it's Hal Pudovs, Eric Davis. Those are the guys that are out there going we don't know what this is with these these mysterious UFOs. We have no idea. No. Are you kidding me? This is the people that figured out the nuclear bomb. They don't know what the UFOs are. Get out of here, dude. Well, there's also a conflicting I mean, there's there's so much more I want to ask you about MH370, but I don't want to just focus on that so much. um you know there there's um there's a a lot of conflicting messaging on on that specifically like oh we haven't figured out the alien technology because you know Dan Farah who produced uh the age of disclosure documentary who works very closely with Halputoff and has done interviews with them and is how put sort of the inspiration behind him even doing the documentary Dan Farah said in several interviews specifically on Joe Rogan that um they have figured out the technology not Not only have they figured it out, we got spaceships, alien reverse engineered spaceships, um that we're flying around in space with, you know, um and and that's even part of Michael Herrera's story, right? They have an ARV, an alien reproduction vehicle that they use to human traffic psionic, you know, [ __ ] out of the Indonesia uh jungle. Um >> so that's it. There's just conflicting messaging, but I've heard the same thing you have, too. you know, we haven't figured this out. We don't know what's going on. Especially if you listen to James Latsky, that's kind of his his sort of um narrative as well. Um that that's what I mean about ambiguity. It's it's you just hear all these different narrative. We haven't figured it out, but oh, we have figured out we're flying around in [ __ ] spaceships and which is it? Like what the [ __ ] going on here? Why is there so many different stories? Um >> I think it'll make sense though in the long run. You know, right now it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Like why is Latki and like Straten and all these guys why are they trying to say we don't know what this is there must be aliens coming out there and I think they're just lying they're just lying they know what it is we know exactly what it is we know what they are where they're coming from and it's just it's going to be dark you know it's if you want to know the answer to that question which is a great one and it's another one people should be asking look at co look at what they did during co and it was all because of this >> general idea of fear that we have to do something. This is bad things coming. We have to do something. We're going to shut down the world. We're going to make everyone wear a mask. Why? Because we got to do something. Those exact same people that came up with that thought process, those are the ones covering up the UFO tech. Oh, we got aliens. We got I mean, I'm maybe whatever. We got a super advanced techn. What are we going to do with the super advanced technology? Well, we got to cover it up for the good of humanity, for the interest of humanity. And if that bothers you, welcome to my world. That's what bothers the [ __ ] out of me, too, cuz I'm going, "These are the people teleporting airplanes. They don't have any right to hide this from us. Oh, we're going to destroy our planet." Okay, well, let's just see if we destroy the planet, then. You know what? I'm just going to roll the dice because I'd rather have a a Star Trek replicator than go to my slave job again on Monday because some woke people in government are afraid that we're going to blow up the world with our free energy devices, right? Like, uh, yeah, brutal. >> Oh, that's fair. Um, yeah, that's totally fair. Um, so you're not sure if there's aliens or not either. You you don't know. >> Oh, I know aliens believe in the technology visiting us or what have you. Like here's the thing about aliens probability. >> We have this technology and all the technology in the durs. Then these aliens, we're not even looking thinking about the alien question the right way. Like the aliens that are visiting us are probably like Avatar like soulless avatar clones that that they use as drones to check things out, you know? Like >> sure, >> we were thinking about aliens too much in like a '9s X Files perspective relative to we live in a world with cloning AI, you know, super advanced already. Our drones are already advanced doing light shows. You're like, huh, okay, the aliens are at least going to have this technology. And now they also have maybe free energy technology and space-time manipulation. Why do they even need a mega structure? They don't even need mega structures. They don't need solar panels anymore. The aliens can make their own little universes, their own planets, anything that they want. So you look at from this perspective, I would say it's more likely the aliens are going to be like an AI super intelligence or more scary a biological intelligence that's merged with the AI super intelligence. like where you basically have a microchip in your brain and you work with the AI and now it's like what is Ashton and what is the AI Ashton? Is there even a difference anymore? >> Yeah. >> I mean that may seem weird but this these are conversations that are in our lifetimes going to start happening. I think >> yeah I don't think that's weird at all. I think that's a I think those are fair um theories to have. And honestly I think I think you're right. It it seems more likely that it would be that just just um considering where we are. um that that it would be like this, you know, for the the next time that we meet cuz I do want to do another one uh after this because I have a lot of thoughts that I want to come back uh to you with. I have to tell you about my digital universe theory, bro. Uh which I think you might find quite interesting um that I've never heard. >> I I don't know if I've heard anyone talk about it. Um and maybe maybe they have and I'm too stupid to know, but um that I think explains a lot in my opin I have no proof of it. It's just my theory on on on different things. Um >> well, maybe as a last topic, we should chat really quick about the UFO files and everything dropped in those because here's my perspective given what we've been talking about here. I think this proves me this I don't know if it proves me right or corroborates what I've been saying. There's no aliens in any of these videos. We have four drops and I went through like 19 videos on live stream yesterday. No aliens unless like you know the shadowy like uh whatchamacallit uh ride on or whatever these things are. I don't know. I mean do you see any aliens in this? And I look at I go these could be explained by plasma. They can be explained by the physics I've been discussing. They isn't really explained by aliens. And it kind of feels like it exposes all these people that have been talking about the aliens are visiting us and what have you because we you should at least have gotten one document that makes me think there might be an alien out there. We haven't seen any of that or like a photo of a body being dissected or something, right? What What are your thoughts? >> Well, yeah. Um, no. I I also cover the stream and I cover that quite often. Um, I I probably have different theories on what I think is in the videos than you. Um, but yes, I see no evidence um of aliens in any of these drops whatsoever. Yeah, I guess my the way I would summarize this is we have people claiming that we have alien bodies, we have crafts, we have XYZ, right, to cover up everything. And they're giving and and what I would call if identified flying objects, [ __ ] that they've identified as alien, yet they're giving us [ __ ] that's unidentified, unresolved, right? All these file I don't give a [ __ ] about the unresolved [ __ ] You said you have [ __ ] that's resolved. Why are we [ __ ] dealing with the [ __ ] you don't know what the [ __ ] it is when you say it's basically like you said you found the needle in the haststack yet you're saying keep looking in the haststack [ __ ] show me the needle. You said you have it. So that's where I'm confused. If people hadn't come out and made those claims then maybe I would take these files. It'd be all we had. So it'd be like okay let's look at the unresolved [ __ ] But you said you have resolved [ __ ] So why are we wasting our time? It seems very uh it seems like it's just mudding like mudding the waters for no reason. Like it's it's dissuading people. Like I have friends who just aren't into this topic at all. I'm sure you do too, right? Family member, whatever. They're just like, "Dude, what the [ __ ] is this [ __ ] I thought we were getting disclosure. Like this is some bullshit." And they just lo they're just losing interest completely. Like this is the [ __ ] And I see people see people tweeting out, "Man, we're getting [ __ ] videos of aliens spacecraft and nobody's saying a word. [ __ ] do you think that's alien spacecraft?" like we're [ __ ] We, you know, I don't know, man. I It's just severely uh disappointing if you ask me. >> I was I saw Owen uh Owen Schroyer's uh tweet. I couldn't I had the exact same response. I'm just going a man there are we're already losing our minds over some shadowy amorphous blob saying that the alien mother ship's here or whatever. I'm going we really are going to get sigh out by the alien invasion. Like it's going to be successful so easily. >> So easy, bro. They don't have to do much. >> You know what I mean? They really don't have to do much. We do it for them essentially, right? Like we we do it for them. They just >> That's my point too with the alien thing. Why I'm so skeptical. Like they'll just put some some blobs on the screen and people will be like, "Well, that's aliens are here." I'm going, "Hey, that's magneto hydro dynamic. That's a fusion reactor." Like, "No, fusion reactors are fake, Ashton. That's aliens." I'm like, I'm like, "God damn it, man. We're not gonna make it." But no, to the point you made a great point about why don't they just show us what they already have? There was actually an article out there. I think it was Liberation Times. I think it was Chris Sharp where they they say the CIA they're trying to get the CIA stuff because the CIA has better footage. And I'm going, "Yeah, they do. Here's them teleporting an airplane. I know they've got better footage, but here's the other stuff." Weren't they just like a couple years ago saying, "We don't we're not hiding anything. We don't have any UFO stuff." Now they're like, "Here's 19 videos." So, like, okay, even if like three of these are balloons, several of these are pretty damn weird and unexplainable. Including the one that's like a boomerang just moving along through. I mean, I looked at them all yesterday. I saw that. >> Like, >> when you get asked if you have UFO [ __ ] this qualifies, right? These qualify as weird UFO [ __ ] So, when they come out, well, we don't have anything. And now they're releasing all this, but they're like, the CIA isn't releasing their stuff. Also, by the way, none of this is in color. None of these videos. Come on, guys. We've had color since like what the 1940s or what? When did we have color TV? A long time ago. 20s. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> They got to have color [ __ ] chat. So >> where are the good videos? Stop. >> No, it's like 140p. I had better video technology on my Nokia [ __ ] 2640 in like 2001 than what we're getting. I agree. And it's not in color. It's like Yeah. the the the the theat the quality is very low. >> And to your point, you were asking, have you seen ones like this? I'm looking specifically for that X-ray beam coming out in front of the orbs because that's an indicator there's a fusion reactor reaction going on inside there and the clear plasma bubble. You know, these other ones, it's like dollar store plasma orbs. It's like I'm a little deformed. Like I I'm starting to wonder if those are adversarial or like where's the good one videos where I'm going to see like that coming out. And I don't know if some of these are either too far away or they're not the right spectrum. Again, I'm not like an expert on Eoir cameras and what have you, but I know for sure they could be showing us better stuff. And I think that also the reason why they don't do that is because it would expose that they do know what they are. Because you can't be looking at something that high definition and be like you can't look at the MH370 videos and go the government doesn't know what these orbs are. It's like, dude, Ashton Forbes is figuring it out on the internet. The people that are like in the know clearly have to figure this out. So, I think that's >> Have you looked for more videos like that? Like, have you looked for more videos like the what you think is in the MH370 videos? >> You know, there's a few. I think Tupacabra posts them the most. The the Madrid one with like the three orbs. The best thing you can find is the three orbs because there's actually a reason for that is like that's how you make an array. That's how you make an array where you can amplify something. You have to have more than one. And they figured out three is the exact number you need for to put an object in the middle and have a null zone. Like if you actually look at the magnetic fields that that creates, there's a null zone right in the middle. >> And actually this is exactly Sunny White's warp drive paper that he dropped like a year ago. Sunny White's warp drive paper even has NLS where N equals 1, two, or three. And N equals 3 in the NLS is the triangle formation for the warp drive. I mean, it's basically making a cylinder in spaceime, like a hyperdimensional extradimensional cylinder. And that's how it works. It's a very normal way of thinking about it. Like, you're pointing it and you're shooting it, but you're shooting it like through the light barrier, but in that specific direction because it uses, according to this book again, the a vector potential. Like when you spin those orbs around, it creates like an invisible force called the vector potential right through the plane backwards. And this, if you look at the math, this is one of those things hiding in plain sight. They say the conventional math that says, oh, the a vector potential is just a mathematical convenience. You just ignore it. >> Like, wait, there's just some math that like is there. And we're like, it doesn't do anything. Ignore that. That's kind of a loose end. Maybe that does something we should look into, you know? And you read all these these books, papers, and these guys are like, "Yep, a vector potential is the way that we can manipulate spacetime." You're like, "Okay, should we look into this? Should we research this? Should we dig into this? >> No, no, no, no, no. Don't look at that. No worries. So, I don't know. Anyway, it's been pretty good conversation. Um, closing thoughts maybe on um the legacy program. I guess I'll kind of go first and I'll let you jump in and you can plug anything. >> I have one more question for you. So, before you because I want to do this what what you're saying. Um, you asked me at the beginning of the the show, um, if it was proven that those videos were real to me, like how would it change my viewpoint on this, that, and the other? >> Well, what if it was proven to you that the videos were not real? What how would that change your perception? >> Unfortunately, I think it's basically impossible because the videos already been corroborated by the science at this point. Like, I don't even need the videos to prove the science at this point. That's why it's so compelling, you know? Um the ways to prove the videos would be fake would be number one to find the hoaxer or honestly to find Edward Lynn and get him to say he didn't make those videos or didn't um you know leak those videos or to find the plane obviously. So unlike like the Candace Owens of the worlds I will say what it would take to prove those videos are fake because I am actually I always have been a skeptical guy. Now if they were fake then I would have to go reanalyze everything I looked at to determine like okay was this physics actually really fake? Is there really no no space-time manipulation at all? But if that was the case, Paludaf wouldn't exist. Eric Davis wouldn't exist. There wouldn't be all these papers and what have you. Part of why it's so compelling, why so many people watch and follow along is because not only do we find out who leaked the videos and there really was this crazy operation, but this technology actually really is real and it is really out there. The problem is exactly what you said at the beginning is that there's no actual definitive proof. There's nothing out there that says, "Hey, this exists and this is real. Compare this to this physics and oh, now we can show that it's true. And that's what those MH370 videos do is that if you go with the assumption that they are real just for the argument, you realize, oh [ __ ] Hal Pudof is the guy. Eric Davis is the guy. All the people, even if you say that David Froning figured it out, it wasn't Hal Pudof. You're like, okay, well, go to the appendix where he's referencing Hal Pudof. You're like, all roads lead back to Hal Pudof. Now, one final thought on that is that I spoke to Tim Ventur and he had kind of a >> same thought you did was that the direction the UFO community is going is like >> Yeah, I know who that is. >> It's like kind of brutal in terms of he's the guy that's he's interviewed all these engineers before they died. >> Yeah, I know who he is now. Yeah. >> And you know, and he's looking at it now. Everyone's talking about, you know, psionically summoning the aliens and um you know, the Skywatcher stuff and all this and he's like, it's not about the science and it's not about the technology. It's not about the physics anymore. You know, that's what it used to be about trying to figure out. And I just told him, don't give up because he's right. He's right. And the problem is, and he had the same thought as you like, like, well, where's the ev where's the proof? How do we get this out there? And I, you know, I told him they they buried it deep, man. They really did. But the MA370 videos are one way. I'm sure there will be others in the future. And what we have to look at is we have to look at those additional releases and compare them to the MH370 videos and look for those signs because we will be able to prove that these are little fusion reactors that they have figured out how to make, you know, three of them manipulate space time just like Lu Alzando's book. I guarantee you. So that's my answer. >> Yeah, right off. Fair enough. Appreciate you. >> Okay, so in summary here, um I don't I mean, we weren't like necessarily trying to reach a conclusion here, but I think we dug deep into the legacy program. I think in terms of defining it, I think that we're comfortable defining it as a multi- agency program that includes the defense contractors. Um, Department of Energy, Air Force, maybe the Navy is even involved. I mean, Congressman Berles was at Pax River meeting with Salvador Py supposedly Pax River, some secret Navy situation as well. >> Yeah. Um, >> now the problem is that we're light on evidence. We have basically no evidence for like all these stories that are being told, but as kind of Joe Rogan said, there is so much or I don't know if it was Joe Rogan, but the idea that there's so much I think Eric Weinstein telling Joe Rogan, all these stories have to amount to something. And if you look at the commonality amongst them, it does show that there is something going on here. whether or not it really is alien origin or it's really just a bunch of spooks covering up some technology that they figured out. I think that's still kind of up in the air. >> Um, and so those would be my main arguments is that not necessarily they're reverse engineering alien technology. If they are, maybe all our technology is alien technology, but really they're just advancing technology that came from the Manhattan project and they're advancing it and they're keeping it secret for justifiable national security reasons. Whether or not we agree with them, I think is the political debate. >> Sure. Yeah. Well, I can't say that I disagree with that, dude. >> To be honest with you, I agree with that. >> What are your final thoughts on on all that and then go ahead and plug um you know, your movie that just came out and any other stuff you're working on? >> Uh, no. My final thoughts, honestly, man, this was this was a lot of fun. Um, I enjoy going back and forth and sort of challenging my beliefs on things and or non-beliefs on things, you know, just kind of my thoughts on things. It's good to bounce off of uh different people who think differently than me. I I I that's what I enjoy the most, honestly. It's it's um so this was a lot of fun. We hadn't spoken in such a long time, so it was cool to um catch up. And um I think that's what we spent most of the time doing actually because we hadn't spoken in so long. So that's why I do hope we do a part two so that we can kind of we got past this of sort of catching up and yeah, it's been it really has been a lot of fun, man. Um, conversing with you and I appreciate the respectful dialogue back and forth, dude. Honestly, it was really really a lot of fun and uh listening to you explain some, you know, different things that I'm unaware of was was very was really interesting. Um, and you know, um, yeah, I'll leave it there. I hope we do a second part so we can talk more. Um, yeah. >> Well, I want to say real quick too that uh, you know, I appreciate your role as a content creator in the community. You know, I in my perspective, if I'm right about this, a lot of these people are being controlled or kind of led by the people that are trying to put a specific narrative out there. And I think it's important to have counternarratives and independent voices in the community putting their own thoughts out there. We don't have to agree. We don't have to agree on anything, honestly, so long as that we have those independent voices. So, I appreciate you, Pat. And make sure everybody you guys follow Vetted on YouTube, check out his documentary where he investigates psionics and remote viewing if that's your thing >> because I know Pat took a, you know, a skeptical, impartial look at at the topic, so you can really learn some information from that. Go ahead. >> Thank you, man. I appreciate you saying that. Yes. Um, I have no sources. I I work independently. I may say stupid [ __ ] but at least you know it came from me. Um, yeah. Yeah, my film Psionics, it's at psionics.film. You can check it out. It's out now. Um, and it will be coming out on streaming in the fall. Uh, we recently just won some awards at some film festival, so really excited about that. I didn't direct the film. Um, Glenn Bon did, so shout out to Glenn Bon. Um, and we're working on a second film uh that I'll start shooting in really just a couple weeks. I'll be flying to the States uh for a couple months to start shooting again on another film. So, I'm really excited about that. And yeah, I really want to get your thoughts on Psionics uh the next time we we we hook up because I'd love to hear your your thoughts on all of that cuz it's a whole wacky world and it's it's really interesting um to be honest with you. Um but yeah, man, again, thank you so much. Really appreciate it um for for just being so cool and this was a lot of fun. >> Sounds good. And one more thing, it's one of the super chats. I'm gonna read the super chats after I let you go here, but this one is specific. You may want to check out the four orbs.com website before we do the next followup. Somebody made a website. They did four orbs and it's got >> it's better website than I could have created. So, I'm just wondering like there are people out there pushing this information out there that really want this, maybe even more than I do, which is pretty funny. So, >> bro, how weird is it that that orbs is in your name and you start go, you know, studying a a topic with orbs? Come on. That's like it's it almost felt like destiny, right? You you've got to you've got to admit >> I try not to fall down the rabbit hole, the skitso rabbit hole too much, especially when time travel and stuff like that, too. You know, you try to keep it level as much as you can. So, >> sure, >> Patrick, brother, thank you very much for coming on the show. I appreciate you, man. Have a great day. >> Awesome. Thank you guys so much. >> Okay, guys. We're going to do a couple of these super chats real quick. Thank you guys for watching this Hard Truths podcast. Chaotic good says, "Why would they need to leak a dramatic reenactment if it actually happened and they had real footage?" Yeah, being a dramatic reenactment would be on Lego. Maybe it was some kind of test footage or something like that could be an argument. Administration changes happen too often. Is a vote. Is any programs been active for longer than 25 years? It must be a generational program. Yes, it must be a generational type cover up. Steven Fleer says, "You two together on live stream is a real treat. Hope it's the first of many." Check out my interview on vetted. He actually interviewed me after Joe Rogan cancelled. We had a really good discussion about the videos. It went for several hours. Check that out. We're going to do a follow-up where I go on Vetted's show and we do a part two on this as well. So, check that out. Broken Arrow, great movie. Yeah, check Broken Arrow out. Reckless Jason, thank you very much. Showing respect and class. Always guys, why would I invite somebody on if I didn't want to have a cordial conversation with them? Requirements. the black the real blackwater says requirements to join halaputoff flying club read the durs and read them again my favorite part was I had dur written down in my notes to bring it up and then boom Pat brings up I just take a look at the space-time metric engineer and one thing I would say for Pat is never don't put yourself down everybody I'm a stupid person look we're all stupid people I am a stupid person too I was a stupid person didn't know anything about this a few years ago all I did was try to read these papers and try to understand them there is actually one tool that will help you a AI. Have AI read the paper for you and explain it to you and it will dumb it down in a way that you can get it. Highly recommend doing that. Don't go AI, is this true? Is this real? Grock, have it just explain the paper to you. Simple as. J Beach says, "Seeing you in the afternoon, the UK is a beautiful surprise. I'm very poorly and this stream just made me perk up." J Beach, I hope you have a great day. That's a shout out to you, J Beach. Thank you very much. Zaparoo says, "I'm sure Patrick and the others are unaware of Four Orbs. Check that Four Orbs website out, guys." Thank you, Zaparoo and Zapperiah. And Alien Girl, guys, check out Alien Girl. Another independent voice content creator in the UFO community says, "Awesome show." Patrick Nashion, love the debates. Guys, I'm out. I hope you guys have a good weekend. We'll be back on Monday. Peace out, everybody. Later.