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Eric Weinstein was on Joe Rogan and I at first I said, "Hey, it's going to be another Eric Weinstein telling stories that don't lead anywhere." And I'm ready to say that I was wrong on this one, guys. This clip's a little bit long. I'm probably going to speed it up a little bit. There we go. >> I'm going to send you some documents. Otherwise, how are people going to know what's going on? This this is going should happen. Well, And by the way, the UFO thing that's now blowing up. There's going to be some crazy science collision with the UFO narrative. There's no way of stopping it at this point. So, you've turned a corner on this. We'll talk about that because I saw you on Jesse Michel show and you were talking about how just a few years ago you thought that the entire narrative was complete nonsense. Probably 5 6 years ago by now. And what changed? Um there was no way to explain. So, Jesse was going on and on about it. I said, "Jesse, you're a smart guy and you you you know, I I often call him the the back alley scholar. So, he knew a lot of stuff um that was sort of forbidden knowledge and he wouldn't be quiet about it. So, I said, "Okay, I'm going to disabuse you of the idea that you're actually into something." And I realized very quickly at a minimum there was a massive denied program. Usually called a special access program. One or more. There's no way to synchronize that number of people who have had experiences that are so similar. And there was lots of stuff I couldn't make sense of. And what attracted me in a certain sense um First thing we all know, Eric Weinstein was not he was against he was trying to debunk the whole UFO thing to Jesse Michaels. And then he first realizes there's all these stories. There's no way all this can be paid. There has to be something here. And he even says it, illegal special access or unacknowledged special access program. Whether or not it's illegal, that's up for grabs, right? So, we know what he's saying right now is is true and makes sense with what we know about him. >> But I couldn't come up with any explanation. So rare. Usually I the opposite problem, which is I come up with too many explanations. I can't come up with a single explanation that makes sense of why now now. And also the fact that the government now reached to me and to Sam Harris and to Lex Friedman. And you know, there was this thing where these guys who checked it out um said, "There's going to be a massive disclosure and we need people to disseminate these things to the public and you have a share of the of the public who listens to you. We need to get you informed so that you can help mediate the disclosure." So what? >> What? Wait, what? Government people reached out to him and Sam Harris and said, "We need you to help mediate disclosure. There's going to be disclosure?" Okay, now I'm I'm anti-disclosure now. Now I don't want any disclosure. You know what? Throw the aliens back in the box. Put that plug up the the bottle the genie's lamp. Put them back in there. How is this dropping this now? And by the way, guys, Sam Harris already confirmed this. Sam Harris already confirmed this and said that this happened. And I'm just sitting here going, "Well, why haven't they reached out to me?" Why didn't they reach out to me, chat? And here's the answer. The answer is What is the answer, actually? What is the answer, actually? Why haven't they reached out to me? Um I don't know, but I do feel sort of impending doom. I do feel a sort of impending I'm not afraid, but I do feel sort of impending doom. I think the answer is because they want to reveal what they think is appropriate for national security, but they want to control the narrative. They want to control the narrative and how it comes out. Meanwhile, I mean, you can you know what? You can tell from the first first hour of this live stream pretty much says why they don't reach out to me. Pretty much says why they don't reach out to Ashton Forbes because next thing you know, all our national secrets, national security secrets are on YouTube, X, etc. Okay, I'm going to rewind like 10 seconds. This is wild, dude. >> whole explanation makes sense of why I now know. And it's also the fact that the government reached out to me and to Sam Harris and to Lex Friedman. And >> And and to Lex Friedman. Chat, do all of these people have me blocked? I think all of these people have me blocked on social media. Uh Sam Harris, I don't think I've ever interacted with, but it actually would not surprise me to find out that I'm blocked by him if I randomly look him up. And this is what I'm saying. When you try to say they are Look, I'm not trying to go full Nick Fuentes and that, you know, uh that there's these grand conspiracy controlling everything and trying to keep me down, but they're literally sidelining me on this. They're literally sidelining me on this. And all their people are blocked Dan Ferraro is also one of them. Dan Ferraro guaranteed Dan Ferraro is the prototypical version of this. He blocked me before I even knew who he was. And you're going, "Why would they be blocking me? I Aren't you like My My objective is totally aligned with yours." Oh. Oh, but you don't talk about free energy. You don't talk about the United States government is developing. You don't talk about we use this technology on covert operations. That's that's That's the difference, right? >> You know, there was this thing where these guys who checked out um said there's going to be massive disclosure and we need people to disseminate these things to the public and you have a share of the of the public who listens to you. We need to get you informed so that you can help mediate the disclosure. So, what prompted this change in narrative? Was it by the time of the >> the government? >> Yeah. >> We don't know. We don't know Look, we don't know what the thing or things is are yet. Um some of it is so again, so low quality that it's embarrassing to be seen with it. So, my colleagues who don't want to take it seriously uh use that like, "Okay, so you're you're you're you're now on a little green men train." And I said, "No, I'm on the special access program." There is There's for sure special access program or programs that have UFO on the side of them that may or may not have aliens or craft or non-human intelligence in them. It may be that it's decoys, it may be I don't know what it is. There's no way to deny that there's like a giant lump under the carpet. >> I mean, this crazy part of listening to this, this is almost word for word what I would be saying. Almost word for word. So, it's like I can't even be mad. He's saying exactly what I want him to say here. But, I'm just going like, okay. So, I'm being blackballed on all these shows, not being allowed to have a major platform. And then this guy's coming in and saying the same thing, just straight up jacking the narrative. And this guy admits right there that he was against all this, thought it was all fake. But, now he's saying, oh yeah, it's definitely got to exist, it's definitely got to be there. I don't have any evidence, but it's definitely there. Wow. And this is why I say, okay, fine. I say, okay, fine. We can do it the hard way. I'm down with that. You want to sideline me, you want to pretend like I'm, oh, he's so mean, we can't have a conversation with him. I'm a scared of the old healthcare IT consultant. He might be mean to me on my podcast. Okay. I'm fine with doing it that way, too. I'm going to be even more mean. I'm not going to let you guys get away with anything. You say anything wrong about the science, anything wrong about what they're doing, anything even slightly out of line with reality and the evidence, I'm going to be on you, calling you out. We can do it that way, too. I'm down with that. You want me in the peanut gallery instead of on stage? We can do it that way. I'm great at being in the peanut gallery. I'm great at You know what? I come from a historic long line of complainers. I've got the complainer gene in me. And I've been watching Tucker Carlson. So, I have become an S-tier gaslighter as well. Okay. I'll be in the peanut gallery, I'm down with it. Keep going. >> And what what prompted you to change your opinion and and decide that there is some sort of special access program. When I started coming in contact with totally sober people from reasonable walks of life who would say the craziest things to me, and a lot of them checked and they didn't even know each other. Like, what kind of crazy things? >> Um, let me take somebody who's public. Brandon Fugal, for example. Uh, was at a dinner where he started talking about being visited by a craft a few feet over that his head that came over the mesa and his head of security was catatonic standing in the back of a pickup truck unable to move. And was way too specific. And a shared experience that multiple people had had. Right? And so, you know, the joke, of course, is that uh, the secret >> I mean, this is what convinced him? Like, if this is what he's saying, I don't even believe him anymore. Dude, people can have shared experiences and it can be not real, right? Like, people can be all scared at the movies and then think like the Candyman's after them. It doesn't mean the Candyman is real, right? Like, it's just a shared experience that people have. People can all think they see ghosts, too. I've watched Ghost Hunters. I used to watch Ghost Hunters all the time. You know what is actually compelling evidence? This. All the scientific literally the derds. The derds at the end of this that are all referenced, including Hal Puthoff's derd. We're talking to a man that literally got to sit next to Hal Puthoff and question the physics directly. That's the evidence. That's every like, "Hey, man, can you manipulate space-time?" Um, I don't know. Some dude saw a weird experience where they got took DMT and then saw a [ __ ] floating in the sky. That's your evidence? How about the literal papers about manipulating space-time? How about How about the literal papers by the government CIA physicist about manipulating space-time? Yeah, buy the book, chat. Okay. Hey, man, you wanted me in the peanut gallery here. This is what it's like. >> It's a skinwalker ranch or whatever this is. >> Right. >> Um, there's real stuff going on there and there's nonsense BS that the History Channel has packaged to come up with a salacious series and they're one is funding the other. So, I don't know what that is, but like some of these injuries are real. And, you know, yeah, like Gary Nolan talking about people reporting, you know, Gary Nolan told me a story that somebody had said the ball of energy would come and enter the body and move around and then leave. And he said, you know, the craziest thing is that when I inspected the tissue, there was a path of necrosis that can't be explained. >> Right. It's almost like they're tanking disclosure. It's like, "Hey, here's your big chance to convince Joe Rogan there's something there. What do you do?" Uh I'm going to tell you a story about Skinwalker Ranch, which has been monetized all to hell and back again, which has become basically a spec a a spectacle. And then I'm going to tell you about Gary Nolan, who I have no I don't care what your affinity is out there, but like there's images of the dude that like gay sex parties wearing like lingerie, and he's talking about an orb entering his body here, and you're telling me I'm supposed to take him at his word. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be a bigot, but it's a little bit disqualifying. It's all disqualifying cuz you're already coming up with a crazy ass story, and I already know you're into super degenerate [ __ ] and now you're like, "Oh, I'm supposed to take this story that an a magic orb entered you." And now what am I supposed to think about that? That oh, it's got some extra It's an orb from another dimension or an entity that was trying to communicate with us or something. I prefer the hard physics. Just tell me how the plasma ball works. Don't tell me about your weird experience related to it. And that's what all these people are trying to do. They sexualize the thing even though I just did. They sexualize the aliens. They try to turn the phenomenon into something that Nobody can answer. They'll say, "We don't know how this alien physics works." And then they'll try to turn it into like an experiencer convention, where it's all about your feelings. And this is my real problem. It doesn't have to do with anyone's sexual proclivities or even their their beliefs when it comes to uh politics. My concern is that people have a feelings over facts mentality. And that mentality will lead to the destruction of all of us. Simple as that. If we have a facts over feeling mentality at all in any aspect, we are going to destroy ourselves with this technology. So, I don't trust any of these people. I don't trust their weird ass stories. I don't trust their affiliations to the people in the government that are leaking this stuff out. Anyway, here we go. >> that shows up on imaging. And it's Gary's a really smart, serious guy. I can check a lot of the things that he says scientifically. Why would he say something like that? >> Gary's a really smart, serious guy, chat. Go look it up. >> I haven't seen it myself, but but he's also done some very strange work on material science. Right. And where he's analyzed particles or little little pieces of metal and alloys that have come from wreckage from the 1970s and '60s. Yeah, that I don't know the province. Like he'll carry around a little thing and he'll show it to me. I'll say, "No, no, no." >> Okay. That's enough of those stories. I want to go to the next part. That part was the lame part. This is the part that's the bigger part. Let's get back to the physics. >> live in space time. Space time has a speed limit. >> Explain that. >> If you can only go the speed of light at your best and you can't even get anywhere close to that, how are you going to get to something 4 years light years away? >> Okay. >> Um in a fantasy world. By the time you go and come back, even if someone all No, no, no, no. Assume you can go at under the speed of light, just under. You can use time dilation and relativistic effects to your benefit. But it's going to cost you 8 years to go and come back. >> Right. >> What, chat? He's right, of course. He's right. It's It's literally exactly what I would have been telling Joe Rogan. In fact, you can find me saying this exact thing about going to Alpha Centauri probably on dozens and dozens of podcasts, including the fact that you can manipulate the time dilation so that even though you're going to have 8 years lost, your time doesn't go through 8 years. Because since you're moving at near the speed of light, your time slows down. So you can actually get there relatively quickly. The problem is when you get back, you've lost 8 years or more, right? So he's saying right here, this is the big problem. Neil deGrasse Tyson, Eric Weinstein himself, the reason why they dismissed the UFO topic. They'll probably admit it. The reason why they dismissed it is they said there's no way to go faster than the speed of light. That's why. And if there's no way to go faster than the speed of light, there's no way for the aliens to get here in a reasonable way where we would ever communicate with them like ET. And that's a reasonable conclusion to make if they were right about the speed of light. But they're not. They were wrong. There are ways to go faster than the speed of light. There are workarounds to it that allow us to go relatively, from our perspective, appear to go faster than the speed of light, but really we're just taking a shortcut. Really, we're just going through the hidden door on the side. That's the answer. So now, suddenly, all of these people are changing their mind. All at once. Sabine Hossenfelder is on the record saying she believes that we can communicate faster than the speed of light. You can communicate faster than the speed of light, you're opening the door to teleporting faster than the speed of light, too. I mean, it is. You've got Neil deGrasse Tyson saying we have to get ready for the aliens. We've got Eric Weinstein saying we it's not going to work. We need to we need some other model to explain how we can go faster than the speed of light. What does this all sum to? I can already see the writing on the wall. Can you already see the answer, chat? It's right there. I've already been telling it to you. Extra dimension. The fifth dimension, the zero point energy. They've probably been told behind the scenes either directly or indirectly, "Hey, look. We're going to disclose this. There's going to be some new physics. And now or they've just been told wormholes are real. It's real. We've got it. And now the only way that can be real is that they need an extra dimension. There needs to be something else they missed. And they're seeing that. They're going, "Oh, shit." And now, do you know what they're all doing? They're all pivoting. They're all pivoting. Everybody's Cuz you know how these people work? If they lose influence, if they lose people trusting in what they say about physics, they have no money. They have no power. This is why the government comes to them. So, they can't lose that. Now they're hedging their bets. Now they're saying, "Oh, well, yeah, maybe the aliens can get here." You were just saying the aliens can't get here just a couple years ago. What changed? What physics changed? The physics of the universe didn't change in the last couple years. Oh, so you you learned. Do you know who hasn't changed in the last couple years in terms of their physics? Me. I've always been saying this is possible. I've always been explaining how we can make a wormhole. So, let's go let him continue. Cuz Please, regale us. How are we going to make a wormhole? >> Okay, I don't want to do that. If I'm going to explore the cosmos, I don't want to use I don't want to live in space. So, what are the alternatives? The observers. The successor to space time, I'm happy to predict this on your show, will be named the Observers. >> The Observers? Dude, this is like what is that metaverse [ __ ] the Facebook people came up with? I'm going to predict the future. The next thing's going to be the Observers. Everyone's going to be calling it the Observers chat. This has got to be This is going to age like spoiled milk like, you know, tomorrow. Like tomorrow. We should already be dunking and memeing on this. They're going to be I'm happy to predict that we're going to be calling it the Observers. You're literally going to predict that you're going to take credit for this? You aren't even in the club, dude. You aren't even in the ballpark of how this works. You're like my little bro when it comes to how to manipulate space time. You're going to get something named after you or name something not even close, buddy. Sorry, it's extra fifth dimension zero point energy. Anyway, continue. I want to hear more. The Observers. >> Which is a combination of not just using a four-dimensional space time manifold. >> No, you aren't. No, you aren't about to do it to me. Not just using a four-dimensional Oh [ __ ] chat. Steal the narrative and start talking about wormholes and space time manipulation as if they believed it the whole time. And they're never going to say And this is why they never spoke about the videos. This is why they never made any comments about the videos. Because if they had made comments about the videos and said they were fake, now I would just [ __ ] all over them. But now we can be like, well, I was I never said anything about the videos. >> But a 14 and a four-dimensional space simultaneously. This was what I was talking about at the university yesterday. So, and how >> 14-dimensional space time. We're going to add 14 more dimensions. Bro, what is wrong with you? 14 more dimensions? 14 more di- Bro, we need one more dimension, bro. That's all we need for hyperspace. Ferris Williams 5D dynamic theory. Why does it always got to be 14 extra Oh, it's the degrees of freedom. Who cares? Just simplify it, man. Not everybody's a mathematician. Even if it is degrees of freedom or calculated out, why can't we just have something make sense for once? Normal people need to be able to understand physics, and when you're trying to talk about 14 extra dimensions, you're not making it more easy for them to understand.