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What we're starting to see now is the beginning of something you and I have known about for some time, which is a schism in [snorts] UFOlogy, a schism in the UAP community. There are those who are digging for that reverse engineering recovery program of non-human technology, and there are those who are saying, "Just be happy with what you've got. Be happy with the small D disclosure." Is someone trying to control the narrative? >> Yes, uh you made a statement recently as of recording this program where you talked about allegations and rumors of a pre-high-profile person within the UAP topic being appointed at a very high level to um kind of spearhead the disclosure initiative or or be integral to it out of the White House or executive branch. Um I'm going to go ahead and take that leap, and I will be very plain here. That individual is Luis Elizondo, and he's currently >> Oh. Uh which way we going with here? Boom! Got you, Oh, all right. Even this uh this might even apply here. >> [screaming] [laughter] >> Anime girl, that was great. Uh okay. Holy I thought this was going to be some kind of lame softball interview where we just like all touch each other's peenie peepee parts and just jerk each other off, but no. Okay, we're just taking shots at people right out of the gate. Well, okay. Now you have my attention, good sir. Key coin, please. >> currently being tasked, likely has the position for a uh National Security Council level role, exactly what he had been looking for as the quote-unquote UAPs are. This is detrimental to the disclosure process. This is extremely concerning. Uh like you said of of partial disclosure, limited disclosure, we have seen this before. This is This takes me back. This takes us back to the year of 2017 in which Lou Elizondo and a cadre of other individuals under a program, an informal working group called AATIP, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, had been working from from 2009 to roll out a partial disclosure campaign at the behest of Lieutenant General and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Once again, we are in the situation and it is perilous for the disclosure effort. >> Bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, you're going to commercial? >> [laughter] >> Um, whoa, a dog. Did my guy just straight up out Lou Elizondo and be like, "Not only was he part of it, it was part of his A tip program where he was working as a counter intel guy?" Like that's where they fell in the purview. When James Clapper was, I don't know, over him or whatever they were butt buddies. >> [laughter] >> Lou Elizondo has responded. This is only like 1 day ago. Dude's responding out here. Okay, Lou. Take it away, dog. I might have to put this in higher speed though here. Okay, well, whatever. >> It is what was brought to my attention that there was a interview done very recently on uh Ross Coulthart's Reality Check uh show under the NewsNation moniker. And uh they had a guest on there that spoke really some incredible, outlandish claims that are 180° um false uh from and they're they're they're just not factual. So, what I want to do is address that real quick. And why is that? Because >> Forgot I'm wholesome chunging this Ashton now. Okay, Lou. I mean, UAP Gerb basically just said, "You know what? I got I got a clip for this." I've [clears throat] been waiting all my life for this clip. I have a relevant clip, chat. It's time to throw in a little comments like the jelly. You know, I get what you I get what you're saying about the jelly, son. I get what you're saying about the jelly, UAP Gerb. But, where is it? UAP Guerb. I know what you're saying about Lou Elizondo, bro. Counter intel, bro. Counter intel spook vibes, UFO, jerking off James Clapper in the Oval Office or some Pentagon, I don't know, don't care. I know what you're saying, bro. Tell this to get us on disclosure. >> [laughter] >> Okay, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead, uh Lou Elizondo, please. I was I have interrupted you, please. Tell us Tell us why it's totally not true. I can't wait for this. >> In this process of disclosure, there are people out there that are trying to hijack and derail this conversation by feeding you false information. People who claim to be on the inside who know information, they don't. And they're doing they're saying things frankly I can only suspect for clicks and likes. So, please be careful of that. First and foremost, one of the allegations was that AATIP was a limited hangout. Well, let's not forget that in 2009, Senator Harry Reid himself, who was the chairperson for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for the US Senate, that was his program. That was his. He paid for it with with US taxpayer money. And he even sent a letter in 2009, a memo, official memo to the Deputy Secretary of Defense Lynn at the time. So, if this was a limited hangout that was being paid by US government taxpayer money, then then by default you're saying that the itself is a limited hangout. And and by extension the US Congress and and and even the US government. So, that simply does not >> Okay. Um whose side is Lou on? Guys, which is Lou for UAP Guerb or is he arguing against it? I honestly can't tell yet. Cuz he basically said out there's some lies, a whole bunch of lies are being told. You can't listen to these people who are trying to mislead you. Well, the question right there to Guerb was, is there somebody trying to control the narrative? And he said, yes, it's this guy, Lou Elizondo. He said, you're the one who's trying to control the narrative. And so far, I haven't heard anything you said that's false, including do I think that the United States government's running limited hangouts against its own UFO thing? Yes. Yes, that's exactly actually like the core That's like the core of our argument, Lou. I'm trying to be reasonable here, but that's essentially the core of our argument. Is that I'm like actually claiming that Hal Puthoff, your boss, Hal Puthoff I'm saying he is the legacy program. I'm saying even Tom DeLonge laughs when I say that all roads go back to Hal Puthoff. There's no other secret smoking man. It's him. Everybody else is dead. What are we What are we talking about? >> So makes sense. It's It's actually not correct. It's not true. Not sure where this individual's getting their information, uh but they're not getting it from people who actually know. Another allegation that was made during this interview was that somehow General Clapper and I had had colluded with one another to try to go ahead and and create soft disclosure and that we were going to go ahead and and and manage it and control it. That is 1,000% not accurate. In fact, we never had such a conversation and Jim Clapper and I never meant to have that conversation. So, again, this is >> What? >> [laughter] >> Okay. Okay. Now, I'm just even more convinced that his only role is to just throw monkey wrenches to the community and make sure nobody else can get there. Okay. I mean, he keeps framing like that conversation never happened. I mean, so you're not hiding advanced technology for national security purposes? That That's my That's my counter. Okay, so instead of like all these weird word games you're trying to play, let me just put it to you simple. Are you hiding super advanced technology that the United States has militarized for national security purposes? And you know, I'm a trusting, wholesome Chungus. Look, Lauren loves me, chat. That's how wholesome a Chungus I am. However, I also have this, which concerns me. This is also a factual video. >> If you choose between national security and disclosure, like real national security, I will always choose national security. >> Hold on. I Hold on. This Is this Tyler Robinson? That Can you You can't even tell who this is. This could be anybody. I mean, they have AI voices and stuff nowadays. Maybe this isn't even Lou Elizondo saying these words. >> If you ask me to choose between national security and disclosure, like real national security, I will always choose national security. >> Okay. So, here's my problem. I've got you on video saying, "If I have to choose between disclosure and national security, I'm always choosing national security." Always. Good qualifier. And guess what? Disclosure's all about national security. So, I'm going with UAP Gerb. I'm going to respectfully give UAP Gerb on this particular point. >> [clears throat] >> But, let's go. Let's Let's move on with the video. >> It's actually not correct. And the problem is is that you have an individual here who is sensationalizing stuff and making stuff up, quite frankly. Um who who who has ulterior motives. That's deceiving you. And furthermore, they're getting attention on a national news network that by the way I respect and that's always been a friend of disclosure, and now manipulating them and providing false information to their audience to the point where it's it >> So, it's UAP Gerb, some online blogger, he's the one deceiving us, not you, who actually never denied the initial allegations. He never denied that he was part of some counter intel guys part of the legacy program. Never denied it. Was asked straight-up, never denied it. He You're not the one misleading people. It's the UAP Gerb who's misleading us. He UAP Gerb is the one with the agenda, not not the guy who's a counter-intel spook for his whole life. You're not the one with any agendas. You're not hiding free energy and warp drives because we're using it to like teleport airplanes. Because you got to ask straight-up by Glenn Beck. You got asked straight-up by Glenn Beck, and you dodged and squirmed harder than I've ever seen anybody squirm before. Which pretty much tells me you know. You know what we did to MH370. And you're terrified of me for the same reasons. You'll never see And there's a little bit of jealousy in there. Do you guys Do you guys taste a little jealousy in here? He's on a major platform spreading these disinformations about me. It's concerning that a major platform gave him a opportunity. This is almost like a threat. This is almost like a threat to NewsNation, where he's like, "If you platform the wrong people that are going to say the wrong things." Which by the way, can Does Does Lou Elizondo want to tell us what the answer to the UFO phenomenon is? Cuz nobody will answer it. They all say they don't know. They don't know. They don't know what it's all about, but if you unless you only listen to them, you get blackballed. If you're only listening to what I tell you to think, great. If you're not listening to what I tell you to think, if you listen to UAP Gerb or online, you're listening to online trolls for opinions? You only come to government-solicited spooks that are literally counter-intel for opinions. That's how the world works. Every single mainstream media national security consultant? What do you think those people are? It's not a real job. Okay, continue, sir. >> You're like a tabloid. And and I think this is problematic. If you want to know why I've always said I want to destroy ufology and replace it with something better, this is why, because of bad actors like this, people who come out, they're just interested in clicks and likes, they're only interested in manufactured and false drama. >> There's there's no way UAP Gerb did this for clicks and likes. What he just said there was not something he was saying for clicks and likes. And what's concerning is he says he wants to just This is what he wanted to destroy. Lou Elizondo goes, "This is what he wants to What?" Basically, all the people telling the truth about your life while you won't answer any questions? >> [laughter] >> You're the one that said you were good friends with James Clapper. James Clapper is 100% aware of MH370. Anybody hiding MH370, you are can never stand on a high horse ever again for the rest of your life. The rest of your life, dude. If it finds out you knew about that and you're making sanctimonious like this saying that we have to shut down opinions, well, why don't you go on some podcasts that aren't just lobbing softballs at you, dog? Right here. Wholesome Chungus Ashton I don't even have a mean bone in my body. >> [laughter] >> My villain arc is over, Lou Elizondo. Come on my show. Come on my show on Ashton Forbes Hard to Choose podcast. I've got some great questions for you. I think we'll have a great conversation. I think we're both obviously in this just for the truth. Just trying to get the truth about zero point energy. It'd be great. I got some questions about James Clapper, too. Lots of questions. >> Well, and they're going about doing things that are actually putting disclosure further back than where we are. And this is a problem. I'll share something else with you, too, another anecdote about to show you the character of this individual. Recently, as a month ago, I took >> Also, why these boomers never say their names? This is just boomer garbage TikTok slop. How do people watch this normally? I can This is even hard to get through now. He's like, "This individual, I don't want to say their name. I don't want to give them attention." Like, oh my god. Just hurt feelings, ego, all these gatekeeping behaviors. Like, they can't even help themselves with their gatekeeping behaviors. They won't say your name. What? He's not even worthy of your respect of saying your name. Like, you're saying that he's a liar? Have some balls. You have zero integrity, zero balls. Okay, sorry, chat. We're getting into the villain. Let's go back. Hold some Chungus. >> to the function of Washington, D.C. This individual happened to be there. I didn't know who he was, but I saw a circle of people surrounding him, and they were berating him. I worried for his kind of his his safety to some degree, and maybe figured he was getting picked on. >> This This never happened, chat. This definitely never happened. This Is What? [laughter] Did Did he just make up a story about UAP Gerbs supposedly getting berated and and harassed at at the at the the the the most recent UAP whatever they had prep preps rally they held? >> [laughter] >> He's like, "I didn't I didn't know who this individual was. He was not He was not on my radar." It's like he's like the biggest up-and-coming UFO researcher, UAP Gerb. And I think he does know, because I know Lou Elizondo is Like, Lou, let's just be honest. It's just you and me here, Lou. >> [laughter] >> You lied about Steven Greer and pretending like you didn't know who he was. He just straight-up lied to Patrick Bet-David and pretend like he didn't know who Steven Greer was. He was like, "Uh Steven Greer, never heard of that name before." And then he suddenly goes out of nowhere. He's like, "Oh, wait, isn't that guy that he like fake those that thing with those flares in this really specific article that he read?" He's like, "Wait, so you do know who he is?" Exactly. You know exactly who he is. He's like, "Oh, no, it just came back to me." He's like, "He always does this It's just super gay, too. I don't know why. It's super gay high roading that these people do. When they're like, "I don't know who that person is." But you know exactly who they are and you're just pretending and it's so obvious that you're just pretending. So, doing the same thing here. He's like, "Oh, UAP Gerb, I've never even heard of him. He's not on my I'm too cool for him. And but he was getting bullied and I felt bad for him. >> [laughter] >> He was getting bullied and I looked over and I felt bad for him. Did you do anything?" No. Jesus Christ, I >> [laughter] >> Chat, I'm trying. Trying to be nice. >> walked over and interacted and as I pulled him away, I was told, "Hey, that's the guy that's been talking crap about everybody and and been making things up." So, I pulled him aside and I said, "Hey, look, these people are obviously pretty upset with you. If you have any questions in the future, here's my personal cell phone number." Now, this went against my better judgment, but I did it anyways. As you all know, I'm very open and transparent. So, I said, "Look, if you ever have any questions, please give me a call." >> This should never happen. >> Obviously, he he looked at me and he looked at me with tears in his eyes. And he looked at me and said, "Okay, sir, yes, I promise I'll do that." >> Tears in his eyes, Chat. He had tear Gerb, you had tears in your eyes and you were crying to Lou Elizondo cuz you got bullied so hard and Lou Elizondo came and saved you. Chat, here we go. It's time to include ourselves in this fight. This is our moment. This is our time, Chat. We're rolling up the sleeves. We're taking it to the next level. >> [clears throat] >> Wow, that is so nice of Lou Elizondo to help poor, helpless, cowardly, pathetic UAP Gerb when he was getting bullied by all the other smart and cool kids. They were just picking on him, bullying him as kids do these days to other kids, other children who are not men. And Lou Elizondo, divine in his wisdom, came down and said, "Child, son, come to me, son. Do you enjoy being picked on? Picked on by the other kids who are bigger and cooler than you? No, no one does. Here, son, come be my disciple. Come learn from the ways of Lou Elizondo. I shall giveth you my personal cell phone Use it only for booty calls. Use it only for booty calls in the emergency situation also where mainstream media calls you up and you need to be told what to say. I shall divine thine wisdom upon thee, young Gerb." Mhm, and he just sit there and took it. And there was a tear a tear came down his eye as he saw upon the blessed Elizondo. My goodness, dude. Unreal. Wow, very nice of you, Elizondo. I can't believe what a good person you are. It's incredible. Great story, by the way. >> Uh there are pretty heavy allegations that Lou Elizondo himself had experience within the UAP legacy programs. Uh there hasn't been much discussion about what this role was, but this alleged role was technology protection and uh program protection for the programs. >> be fair, Lou Lou has spoken quite openly about the retrieval program, the fact that there are crash >> Well, let's stop. That was the core claim. I just gave it to you back to back. >> [clears throat] >> Initial claim Lou Elizondo is a security element to help make sure that UFO technology does not leak out to the public. That was the core claim. Elizondo straw [clears throat] manned that claim, took that claim, and said, "I can't argue against this." Probably cuz it's true. And said, "Instead, I'm going to say that he's lying and say that the claim was that I hatched a plan with James Clapper >> [clears throat] >> to to to cover up all the UFO stuff." No. No one believes that Lou Elizondo is high enough level to cover up all the UFO stuff. He was just somebody put in a position that he was partially covering it up. That's what we're alleging, which he