The Company the CIA Built Is Now Bigger Than the CIA

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The host, Ashton Forbes, analyzes a statement by Palantir CEO Alex Karp regarding a lawsuit against the US government and a story about a general requesting an 'alien anti-gravity machine.' Forbes argues that Palantir's legal victory forced the government to hire them, creating a 'deep state' dynamic where private contractors control government spending through legal loopholes rather than merit.

He highlights Karp's anecdote about a general being told by an engineer that anti-gravity technology does not exist, using this to suggest that high-level government officials and even billionaires like Elon Musk are kept in the dark about advanced technologies.

Key Claims (4)

Definitive

Palantir sued the US Army in 2016 because the Army attempted to build a custom intelligence system instead of buying existing commercial software, violating the Federal Acquisition Streamlining Act of 1994.

Evidence: 2016 lawsuit against the US Army; Federal Acquisition Streamlining Act of 1994

Definitive

A federal judge ruled in Palantir's favor, forcing the Army to restart the bidding process and evaluate commercial options, which led to Palantir securing massive defense contracts.

Evidence: Federal court ruling (2016)

Strong

Alex Karp told an audience that a general, in the context of Palantir's lawsuit against the Army, asked Palantir to "build me this alien anti-gravity machine that also tells me I'm brilliant," and that one of Palantir's forward-deployed engineers told the general "you're not smart enough to know how dumb you are."

Evidence: Alex Karp's public speech/interview

Speculative

Ashton Forbes argues that most billionaires and defense contractors, including Alex Karp and Elon Musk, do not know about the government's advanced technology (free energy, plasma technology, teleportation), apart from a few who help the government hide it.

Evidence: No source cited; speaker's own argument

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Now, if you have not been catching up to caught up to speed with us, we've just been, you know, revealing the government's free energy technology, super advanced plasma technology, their AI technology, their surveillance capabilities, and of course, their teleportation and their covert operations. Yeah. All that stuff. So I found it quite interesting because we've been trying to figure out who are the people who have been hiding this and in that process we've realized there's a lot of very smart people that have no idea that we have this technology.

In fact, it's pretty blackilling when you find out like basically all the billionaires have no idea that we have super advanced technology except for a few of them who are just helping the government hide it. This is Alex Karp, CEO of Palunteer. Get ready for this. This could have been the moment of Zen, but we got to start with this. That's like that's also important at Palanteer.

We we don't we will not build And um and in fact, and we don't we will not build Um uh if because it isn't if it's you know, if somebody like we had this originally in the US government, we uh we ended up having to sue the US government. That's kind of well known. But the main reason we had this, >> we had to sue the US government. That's really wellnown, guys. Did you know that Palanteer sued US government? I had no clue.

In fact, I'm going to Google this now and see. 2016 lawsuit against the US Army. Palunteers sued the US government at the AR after the army tried to build a custom intelligence data system without properly assessing whether existing commercial software could do the job. Pause this for a second, chat. Uh, what? Who knew this?

Who knew? Raise your hand if you knew this. Nobody is going to raise their hand. Let me read this. The law Palanteer argued the Army violated the Federal Acquisition Streamlining Act of 1994, which legally required federal agencies to look for a variable. So, if I'm reading this correctly, Palunteer sued the government because the army was building their own AI system and Palunteer said, "No, there's an there's a law that says you can't build your own.

You have to buy it from the from private company, from us. Why do I hate everything about this? Why does everything about this feel perverted to me?" Then what happened? Do I want to know? A federal judge ruled in Palanteer's favor, of course, forcing the army to restart the bidding process after seriously eval evaluating commercial market options.

Oh, and seriously evaluate them. This decision opened the door for Palunteer to secure massive subsequent defense contracts. I didn't think I could hate Palanteer anymore, but now I really hate them. This is like exactly what the deep state is. This is where they go, "Sorry government, you can't do this. You have to pay us to do this."

That's crazy. Is this all it takes to become deep state? Chat, sometimes it doesn't take even knowing anybody. You just had to find a loophole in the government that forces the intelligence community to pay for you. I might have to figure out how to do this. There's got to be a loophole.

If I sit there with Annie with if I had old Annie back, chat, she's dead now. But if I had old Annie back, we could find a loophole where we could make the CIA like pay us as a defense contractor. Chad, that would be the way to make this happen. Now I see why uh Palanteer so spooky. Okay. Anyway, let's go back to uh our boy Outskarp because he's about to say something really stupid.

Here we go. Okay, let's go back to that in the US government. We uh we ended up having to sue the US government. That's kind of well known. But the main reason we had to sue the government is we had this general and I'm sure he knew a lot about the battlefield, but he was didn't know much about tech. He was like, "Build me this alien anti-gravity machine that also tells me I'm brilliant."

And one of my forward and deploy engineers literally told the general, "But you're not smart enough to know how dumb you are." Now, okay, you're not supposed to do that, but that was really really important. And said, "What what has he told this story ever before other than this moment where he says this?" For for number one, if your CEO is publicly telling stories like this, get rid of him immediately. This is not the kind of information that you should just be sharing in random I don't know what this is speaking gigs that you're doing because A, what if you're wrong?

B, you are the you just said this isn't something you're supposed Yeah. You're not supposed to be telling generals what they should be doing and what's real and what's not real. I would never tell a general, "Hey man, this technology is not real. You're an idiot." Sorry, we're a little smarter. We know about computers a little more than you in the military.

And I think he's being literal here. I don't think he's actually exaggerating this other than the part where he says, "And we also want to be able to what? Predict the future or whatever." I mean, >> literally told the general, "But you're not smart enough to know how dumb you are. literally told him, "You're not smart enough to know how dumb you are." Anybody that says that to you under any circumstance, get rid of them. Get rid of them immediately.

I've worked 20 years in consulting, if I had ever said anything like that to anybody at any point, I'd immediately been fired. Immediately. Actually, incredible the balls on somebody like this to say something like that. after we just learned that the only way that they even got a contract at all was that they had to sue the government to force the government to take their contracts. That's crazy. [laughter] Wow. The ball's on you, Alex Karp, especially after you find out. I'm going to hear him say it one more time.

This is up there with Sean Carroll saying that we'll never make warp drives. Here we go. >> We uh we ended up having to sue the US government. That's kind of wellnown. But the main reason we had this huge government is we had this general and I'm sure he knew a lot about the battlefield, but he was didn't know much about tech. [laughter] He was like, "Build me this alien anti-gravity machine that also tells me I'm brilliant and what am I for it?" And deploy an engineer. Alien anti-gravity machine.

And then he goes to his engineer and the engineer says, "Ha, that's not real. There's no anti-gravity." Wow. Turns out that general's name was General William McCassland. No, I'm just making that up. But it actually could be.

In fact, how how crazy would it be if this turns out that the general he's talking about is General McCasslin? It was Army, so it probably is not. But wow. Yeah, if it turned out this was General McCasslin, then we'd have to uh we'd probably have to question where Alex Karp was when uh General McCasslin disappeared. This is pretty weird, guys. I got to be honest. I've been on social media a long time.

That tells me right away, though, he doesn't he doesn't know we have this technology. Like statements like that are the exact kind of purehearted ignorant statements that people don't lie about. You know how hard it is for someone to pretend to be that stupid? Not easy. Organically, not easy. Alex Karp literally doesn't know.

Elon Musk literally doesn't know. Elon Musk thinks we're going to get all of our energy from solar power in the future. The point is, I'm trying to show you guys and the rest of the world the disconnect between even the richest people on the planet, the most connected people, the defense contractors, the people that are shooting rockets in the air, showing that they don't even know we have this. Because people wonder, they could never keep this secret. Well, yes, they can. And yes, they are.

They're keeping it secret from all of them.