ZPE All Stars - Gabriel Dias Hard Truths Podcast

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Hey everybody and welcome to another Hard Truths podcast. Guys, today my guest is Gabriel Diaz. Gabe Diaz has been studying zero point energy. You guys have seen him on social media as well as on APEC conferences. Gabe, thanks for being here today, sir. How are you doing? >> Thank you for having me. I'm good. How are you today? >> Uh doing great, man. Yo, before the stream, you were telling me that I influenced you to study electrical engineering or maybe not electrical engineering, but at least zero point energy and that your family had come from a background of like lawyers and doctors, but you went in a completely different direction. First of all, I just want to thank you for that. And I guess the question I would have for you is what is it about either zero point energy or electrical engineering that got you interested? What do you like about it? >> Well, thank you for having me. Well, um I wasn't really um I always studied um um everything that my family would do because I was always always interested in their works, um their professional careers. But um that that wasn't really something I wanted to do with my life. So, when I got to college, um I was taking a bunch of classes. And then um I realized what I wanted to do was um is is really something that will actually contribute to society, something like tangible, something that you can actually produce and make a difference uh changing people's lives. So, I went for engineering. Right? And then um um studying electrical engineering specifically, I I thought it was really interesting because there is there's so many things that people discuss even nowadays and they're not even sure about, like uh where is the energy flowing through? Is it flowing through the magnetic fields? Is it Is it flowing through the wires? Like uh even before I met you, like um I had those questions. I'll watch some of even Veritasium videos where they talk about all of that and I'll just read it and I'll I'll I'll always have my own questions. And then um uh well, I'm pretty sure it was uh like 2 years ago or so I I saw you on YouTube and I saw the videos that the you know the MH370 videos and that they showed me something that I had never seen before. And that made me kind of click. It made me realize that there's many things that we have no idea about and that that was like a whole new universe for me and I was like, damn, I want to know more about this. I want to actually understand what's happening. Like is it is it really a miracle? Like how how does it actually work? How how do you actually make that happen? Like that's that's so like mind-blowing. Like we don't I don't we don't see people discussing that anywhere. Like be it on the media and I don't even watch like TV at all. I don't even watch like shows or series. But I just I only watch Even people from my family complain about it. Like you don't do anything. All you do is just watch these like presentations. You watch conferences. You're just reading a lot of Like yeah, I don't really like watching like stuff on the TV, but you know, it's whatever. But I'm always I'm always seeing like researching that and I found that was like really curious. And then the way you explain things as well. Like it was the first time I had ever had someone explaining those things in a way that you did. And um And I I I'm glad to be an inspiration. Let me ask you specifically what what like you've looked into various aspects of zero point energy. What do you think's the most compelling for like the random person out there? Maybe what was the most compelling for you? You mentioned the wires already. Would you say like I already I also saw your presentation on the ground state of the hydrogen atom. Like what do you think is something that people don't really understand about zero point energy that's super important? Well, it's something that I'm still trying to understand which is the the whole thing of the cosmolo- cosmological constant problem, the cutoff problem, vacuum catastrophe. Like is there a really this sea of infinite energy everywhere? Because if it is, like there there has to be a way that we can interact with it somehow. There there has to be a way that we manipulate like we can like you say sometimes, right? You tap into it. Um there there has to be a way and if you take a stochastic electrodynamics view, there there is ways of engineering creating maybe a system where you can actually engineer these things. You can change properties of for example the vacuum or so and when I when I'm learning these things, I'm reading like you know like that past couple of years when I'm learning all of this, I'm like that's that's exactly what I want to do like there's nothing else in my life I want to do or study or work with. This is this is my thing. Like I could spend so many hours, so many days after like one after another. I don't really care like I'll I'm I'm into it. Like this is the only thing I do in my life now. I'm I'm just it's just so much it just so it's just so interesting to me to learn about all these things and then there's also the social context too, right? And then you have people different factions competing for for like information itself. And like you know all this stuff that you talk about like I don't know if you're willing to really get into the the you know the fights, the beef between people. I'm not even going to mention their names but you know all that super interesting to me and to me if if we're actually able to produce something that will well as if zero point field technologies, we're not trying to actually extract energy from the vacuum like most people would think. We're actually seeing the vacuum as a seed that we can navigate on like a like a boat. >> Let me ask you, have you read the Dirds? So I know you're a follower of his so. >> Oh yeah. >> Which one's your favorite? >> Well I read magneto hydrodynamics all all that electronic fusion Sonny White Hal Puthoff Eric Davis papers, um, I'm not really good at like explaining all of this like you are because I think you're great at explaining these things. Like you you make it so simple and easy when it's not. And I'm not I'm I can drive but I can teach you how to drive, right? I'm not It's a little different, but >> [laughter] >> Um, oh yeah, that's >> let me explain a couple things for the viewers cuz I think a lot of our the people that are long-time viewers probably know what we're talking about, but stochastic electrodynamics we're essentially talking about the idea there's this extra dimension is zero-point energy all around us and that like Gabe just said, I mean, if there is this invisible zero-point energy, we have to be able to push against it or interact with it somehow. And then the DIRDs, the Defense Intelligence Reference Documents, if you haven't paid any attention, I talk about it all the time, those are like the most important scientific papers, which include extracting zero-point energy. And actually, I think my that's my favorite DIRD as well, which is air-breathing magnetohydrodynamics. For me, it's just >> Yeah, cuz I've never heard of any like that. Like >> Yeah, same. >> air-breathing magnetohydrodynamics. I thought that was like some made-up make-believe stuff and you're reading it and you're like, wait, what? This is real? Like this has got to be what UFOs are, right? Like I don't know. >> Totally. And when you're doing electrical engineering, you're not really learning any of that, right? Like you're just learning the basics, which is already difficult, like understandable, right? But like I once I saw all of that, I just wanted to learn more. I just I just had to. I just have this full this attraction. Um, and yeah, I'm >> a strong believer that we can extract zero-point energy then, right? Like >> I I do believe you can. I know I shouldn't be saying this because, you know, I'm just a electrical engineering student, you know, all of that. There's there's a concern with fringe stuff and all that, but if there is a sea of infinite energy, which is the open problem of quantum physics, then we should be able to. Definitely. I have no doubts in my mind we should be able to. >> Let me ask you about another aspect of that because the skeptics would say, well, you know, even if you could extract it, there's not enough energy there and you it's not a repeatable process. Well, one of the big problem one of the big solutions that is the vacuum catastrophe is what you just mentioned is that cosmic microwave background says, oh no, there's only this tiny amount of energy, but you did the calculations. You want to run people through exactly a high level, like what is the calculation to determine the amount of zero point energy based on quantum mechanics, right? Like that's the that's the other comparison that would that I think I lean towards and you probably do as well. >> Um >> [laughter] >> Am I putting you on the spot? >> Yeah, that's right. >> Well, so then I'll just go break it down because you if I you how about you tell me if I get this wrong then because basically what you're saying is that if I looked at your your post and the math is that if we add up all the different sizes of wavelengths that can fit in any different region of space-time uh and and multiply that all together, add that all, combine that all together, like every little cube in here plus times everything I see around me, the amount of energy density that we run into is like 100 orders of magnitude or 80 orders of magnitude higher than basically there's a lot more. I mean, there's a big range in terms of what people believe depending on which how much where you believe the cut off is because some people believe, well, the cut offs might be the Planck frequency, the smallest possible thing, but in theory if you can go below that, then it could be infinite amount of energy available in this. So, then that means that the problem of how much energy we might be able to extract, like, oh, okay, well, this ocean, maybe it's not necessarily this tiny little puddle. Like maybe there's this huge huge ocean we can tap into. Um what kind of stuff are you guys you I think you work with Douglas, right? Um Douglas Miller. I think you guys saw his presentation also on on APEC. Do you guys like uh meet and chat about ideas or what have you guys been up to? >> Oh, definitely. We we talk almost every day basically, but uh well, from the beginning I I I first uh I I I made a next account and I started just um reposting some cool stuff that I thought it was really cool about, you know, electrical engineering, energy generation, propulsion systems, and all of that. And then from there we got I got to meet Douglas on X. And we're just discussing ideas and he said, "Hey man, do you Are you actually Are you able to code because I need someone who can code?" And I was like, "I mean, I'm not the best coder, but uh I can I can I can try my best and especially for you, right?" Because uh he he He's the guy who's actually doing the work. He's actually put his name out there. He built a company. So, I was like, "Bro, anything you need uh I got you." So, um I tried to actually get good at coding. Um I I I wasn't really good because I never really had like a goal to do it. It like what I'm going to learn coding is cool, cool. I can get some grades, cool, but I didn't really have a actual project or something that I could focus on, right? And Douglas gave me that and that's how I actually got better at it and I actually I was able to do it. And uh I actually translated his drawings, right? His design of his ZPF um array. Um the nano um nano cavities. I translated his papers um to computer simulations, right? Using code. So, that was the first thing I've done for him and um it was really cool. I did the side view. I did some other things and he liked it and then we kept discussing ideas um theory uh some calculations. And then uh from there I ended up being in the role that I am right now in the mechanism discrimination track, which is basically the guy who's kind of skeptical all of that, and right I I I have to do the opposite job of Douglas, basically. I have to be the guy who says no, this is not how it works. This is how it works, right? And like and I have to discriminate between different mechanisms and what will actually show up in our device as a result uh of our experiments um because of the way the the ZPF array design it's um we're trying to make it so that it will create a trust force somehow for propulsion. Um and um we're we're trying to make it >> design, right? Like that can produce thrust. Is it on a microchip or what's the scale we're talking about? >> a microchip. Yeah, it's a microchip. It has a many uh uncountable like thousands of little and nano um cavities, and they're designed in a very specific way to produce an effect. And uh we're we're And there's many challenges to it, obviously. For example, there's Lorentz invariance violation, and there's the a gradient problems, like how do you create a gradient of vacuum, um how do you, you know, um how you how do you actually distinguish between these effects and all of that? And then you got to get into like standard cavity physics, like Purcell formulas. Uh Some of it is not very fun, but >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> But >> Have you looked at like I'm obviously you mentioned Sonny White, so presumably you know, you guys have looked at his microchip, but have you looked at like Paul Thibado and his graphene um thermal chip? >> Yeah, um so first um Sonny's White uh Sonny White's design is a static design. Our design is a dynamical, so we actually move and, you know, it's a it's a bit different. Uh it's it's more active. Um but um if you look at his patent, uh his his patent is really interesting. Uh extracting energy from the vacuum um statically. Um we're doing basically uh some something it it's similar but it isn't, right? For people who are watching they might be like, "Sir, you have a microchip too? So, you're extracting energy too?" No, we're just creating different effects for propulsion specifically. Considering we're just imagining there's this ocean of energy that we can navigate into. Well, um Uh Gary Model models um microchip for example. I don't know if you know this, but there's two two different projects that he worked on. The first one was with Hal Puthoff where they actually put the hydrogen inside the cavities, right? And then the second one is this main chip that everyone talks about. >> Oh. How do you know that? Wait, hold on. Oh, I did not know that. There's two different things that he >> So, yeah. So, Hal Puthoff Remember when you said on one of your podcasts that Hal Puthoff worked with Model, right? And then I went I went to look into it because I wanted to know more about it and I saw that that they actually worked on two separate projects. If I'm not mistaken, that was the first one using the hydrogen. And then the second one was the actual microchip that came after. >> That would make more sense actually. I'm going to have to double-check that. Because yeah, and then what they were trying to figure out is they were trying to see if the hydrogen spectral lines changed, if they could change the zero point energy and cause the atomic spectrum to change from the hydrogen atom. And if so, could they get a drop in energy level, right? Which is also the same as what Randall Mills was claiming is these fractionalized states that were stable that are not allowed permitted in quantum mechanics right now. So, that's crazy. Okay, wow. Well, you did looks like you did some additional research there to add on to uh >> Oh, I do I I'm everyday doing this like all the time and your your streams they help me a lot sometimes because they give me some perspective, some other information that I I just can't find anything else, you know? I mean, sorry to interrupt. have you found anything else that you know we don't know about that you want to let us know? I mean, that was a pretty big >> is many. Oh, I can't even well well Well, I can tell you something that I I I saw for myself and I don't think anybody has before. It's a personal paper that I'm working on. I haven't told anyone yet, but when you try to derive when you stochastic electrodynamics to derive the molecular zero point energies and kinetic isotopic isotopic effects, you actually can do this you can get the same numbers without using quantum mechanics, but instead you can just use normal electrical engineering math and you going to find the same numbers with the same error margins which is from the quantum oscillator. I always gives you a plus or minus, right? And this the same margin of error everything. You can just actually um work that out with using nothing no quantum you don't need to do renormalization. You don't need uncertainty principle. Um Um you you actually able to do it just using basic electrical engineering math. And I thought it was really really interesting because what I first saw, right? When I because I was actually trying to do more research in zero point energy and then I saw that you can actually in chemistry molecular chemistry if I'm not mistaken you they have to account for the zero point energy of the molecules when they're actually doing the calculations, right? So, I thought well, if they they consider the zero point energy of a molecular um diatomic molecules, well, maybe we can be able to derive those numbers without quantum mechanics, right? Because based on all the things that I've been learning in the past like maybe we don't need quantum mechanics to to reach certain results so I stochastic electrodynamics they replicate some results from quantum mechanics without using quantum mechanics. So, That was my intuition and then the numbers they they show up right. They they just it just works. I I haven't published or I don't talk about it but I'm I'm always thinking maybe I should um email Hal Puthoff because he's the only guy who's good enough to be able to see this and be like yeah bro like you're right or like no you're wrong like you got to fix this you got to fix that but at the same time like I know all of his like history right? I don't I don't know if I should even get involved. I don't even know if I should message him or anything like that like So I I don't do that. >> You should. You should message him. Yeah, you definitely should. Just message him and ask him about you know what do you think about this idea? That's a great idea because tell me if I'm wrong here but I think the implication is that we also get scale invariance starting from classical physics without quantum mechanics and >> Exactly like and and there's uh problems like non-linear effects that uh stochastic electrodynamics cannot account for right? And so I'm I'm just I'm just always thinking like is there any way that we can solve this? How do we actually do it? Is there any way that we can do this in a way that some nobody has ever done before? And if people try what we can use from those people like what what they have what have they actually established that we can use for our purposes? >> Wow. No, I think that's huge man. If that's true and that math works out and then obviously I haven't seen it >> [clears throat] >> but I you definitely should get Hal Puthoff's opinion I think and I think he'll tell you a true opinion on it. But uh because I'm a strong believer that there is scale invariance that the things that are the very small and very and very large can be unified that that they uh are both uh the same forces in effects the same physics applies to both right? >> I see I see it the same way. >> Cuz yeah cuz we look at the quantum mechanical world and the classical world as two different realms of physics but they can't be that it's the same reality. So there has to be >> Yeah, they have to be connected somehow right? Like there has to be something that connect these two things and and what is it if it is not the zero-point field which is everywhere all the time connecting all points in space Like what else could it be? Like if you even go back to like the projects where the you know, research that Puthoff was doing back in like years ago. You would he he before he went to physics, he he was working remote viewing. And they were trying to, you know, like establish, "Hey, you know, these Russian guys, they're doing all these experiments. Is it even true? Is it current intelligence and all that?" And then they they they go ahead and they work on it themselves. Hal Puthoff, all these guys. And they're What they believe is that it's actually true. And they also proved that this cannot be explained by some physical mechanisms that they know they knew by the time. And I'm pretty sure that's how he got into zero point field physics because he had to explain how do you connect all these points in space? Like how how is this guy here from the United States he's seeing things from like thousands of miles away in another country and he's he's describing it precisely, right? You don't have to believe in it, but if you read it, you you It's very clear that they believed in it a lot. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, and isn't it weird how like you put that together, right? And I I put that together, too. This idea that like I mean Hal Puthoff was doing remote viewing. Like how could that be physically possible? Like one of the only ways is that all points in space and time are somehow secretly connected, right? >> They have to be connected somehow. And then what how? Well, the zero point field. Is there anything else that would connect these points in space that is not a the zero point field? >> And then, you know, that's also the answer to quantum and quantum entanglement, right? You're like, "Hey, wait, but then what about the whole thing that we can't spooky action at a distance?" You're like, "Well, that's also the same thing." This is what weirds me out. How more people don't see this? Why did the UFO people not see this? Why did the the physicists not see this? Like instead, they just continue to pretend like the quantum world and the classic world just obey like two different laws of physics. And then there's no way to unify them. So, like do you believe ER = EPR then? Are you a a uh >> Well, it seems that way, yeah. It's a mathematical description of the phenomena we see in reality. But, well, when you when you mention a physicist, the first thing that comes to my mind is when I met Eric Weinstein on UT. And then uh I talked to him for a second. Um I told Douglas, "Hey, man, I'm going to try to get his opinion on on some stuff, right?" And then I asked him uh I I I wasn't I didn't say anything like um like weird. I was like, "Hey, man, and like great presentation. Uh so, I work with this guy, Douglas, at ZPF Technologies, and we we have all this literature that we're basing our work on, like uh Bernard like HRP and then more Marshall and Boyer. And then uh polarizable vacuum models, like uh do you have any opinion on these guys?" And then he was like, "Uh well, what I'll tell you is that he he didn't he doesn't like that. He doesn't like any of that, right? You know that probably, but he he wasn't really into it, so." He was like, "I wouldn't I wouldn't put my life on it." I was like, "Okay, cool." And then I went back home and I started working more on it, but >> Um but doesn't that point out like I'm curious to get your opinion on this because it just seems so crazy to me. Like, and I believe he really he thinks that. Like, he really isn't into it. I don't think he's like being paid by the government or something to pretend and cover it up. I think he's just got a massive ego and he just some people can't see it. I don't know. How do you rationalize that perspective? >> even know. Look, it's so hard to read people sometimes, and sometimes a lot of people lie all the time, right? For their own interests. I mean, to to me, if without conspiracy at all, it just makes total sense that he would just miss it just because he's promoting his own theory, right? So, why would you want competing theory? So, it makes sense that he's just going to shut down every theory, right? To promote his own, which is fine. Uh it's it's not what I would do, but I I each each person is a person, so >> Yeah, okay. That's fair. That's it Sorry, where were you when you when you met him? UT, is that what you said? >> Uh UT, yeah. He gave a talk at UT like a couple months ago, so I just went there to listen. Uh it was pretty cool. >> No, that's cool. And I have I have nothing against him and uh you know, personally at all. It's just that I, you know, you mean you know where I come from. It's like I saw videos of a plane getting zapped out of the sky, so you know, for me the only solution is that's zero-point energy. That's the explanation. That's the, you know, the giant thing that we can push against. And what's >> No, it's the videos they're so crazy that if if somebody's trying to not talk about it is because somebody else told them not to, because otherwise there's no way you going to a normal person is going to actually watch him because there's two videos no ones and all that. But I don't want to like defend that either. I'm just like it's just like you if you see like you got you want to know more about it, you know. >> I think there's two actually I I look at it like there's two mindsets to it. The one mindset is like looks at it like, "Whoa, I want to know more about it." And then there's the other mindset where it's like they have some sort of aversion, some sort of >> Oh yeah, complete like closure. Like >> Like they don't see anything. I can't I can't even look at What is that I did that's nothing. I can't I don't even look that, you know. And that's that's kind of how I look at the issue with uh you know, like Weinstein is or Weinstein as well, which is >> Well, here's the thing. If you're a researcher, if you you if you're a researcher, you're an investigator. If if you're an investigator, you're looking for the truth. >> Mhm. >> Um if you if you if you just avoid certain subjects or topics be- because you're Oh, I'm I'm messing up right now. Sorry. >> No, you're fine. Keep going. If you're avoiding certain topics, then you're not trying to get to the truth, right? You're leaving out >> a real scientist, you you you shouldn't be afraid of investigating certain things like what you do. Uh you have the mindset like you not just going to dismiss it and then keep living your two your two-faced value life. I mean, like there's so many things that we don't know and that transcend our reality tremendously. Like, and you I I just don't know how people would just miss these things and just close off to them. I don't know. >> What is your opinion on, like, where this technology, whatever, comes from? And like, you know, do you you think the you agree then you think the government's hiding it? You think it comes from aliens or ancient civilization or what's your view on >> Oh, well, first of all, I'm not trying to destabilize the government or any of that or throw revolution, first of all. Um, just just for them watching. Um, >> Yeah. >> Uh, well, um, if you try to trace it back to ancient times, you you going to Well, I'm I'm I'm not really fond of the idea that we are the most advanced civilization that there there's ever been in history. I'm like, I'm not into that at all. Like, that completely a lot it keeps you a lot annihilate. Um, a lot of people. Uh, it just keeps you in the dark completely. Yeah. Um, um, I'm I Look, once I saw, like, years ago, I saw this video from this guy on YouTube. He has a big channel. He's an Indian guy. And he was showing you, "Hey, how uh This is how about 4,000 3,000 years ago, these guys in India were creating electricity by using these two you copper plates and some liquid and some pots right here and there." And I'm like, "Okay." Um, "Interesting. So, wait wait a second. So, well, I'm I'm seeing all these uh huge underground cities, uh you know, like, in Turkey, for example, that occupy like 20,000 people like 18 levels underground. How How these people even live there without electricity, without seeing anything?" Like, and then I'm look at Tesla and then Tesla is always talking about, like, um, ancient civilizations or not even maybe that ancient, but just like people in the past who had the technology and they built a bunch of stuff, and it just disappeared, right? And then you have all this mystery in archaeology. Like, where did all these people go to? Like, you know, all of that. Well, they definitely used it, in my opinion. Like, there's no doubts to me that some guys we were were way more advanced than we are right now, and we're just delusional to think that we are the most advanced civilization ever in history. >> I think you nailed the Göbekli Tepe, right? Like, that's supposed to be >> Yeah, yeah. >> We don't even know how old, but like 18,000, 20,000 years old, or something like that. And it's like >> Yeah, like, how do you build all of that without seeing uh like in the dark? Like, 18 levels underground, like >> How do you even lift up the stones? The stones were bigger than or as big as Stonehenge. >> Yeah, like, and they supposedly were hunter-gatherers. [laughter] They supposedly didn't even have They were supposedly like so primitive, they didn't have cities. And you're like, wait, but like there's this giant structure here. Like, uh >> Oh, yeah. And then you you go see the the the you know, the work that the those researchers were doing when they're trying to scan the pyramids, and you see those huge structures underneath, and you're like, what is this doing here? >> [laughter] >> Yeah, and even if you don't Like, for me, I don't necessarily subscribe to like that's definitive proof there's like this massive massive structure there, but like even without that, there's still massive questions over like the age of the >> pyramids. You can just look around anywhere you go. >> [laughter] >> And just the size, like, how did someone even build something like that, you know? And then it's hard It's easy for people who've never probably seen the scale up close or in person, but if you look at the photos of the size of that, you have to realize like this is bigger than modern buildings. And like, they didn't have any of that. So, I guess what we're getting at here is the the evidence for there having been advanced technology uh in the past, right? So, you're pretty strong believer or proponent in that theory, then, I guess. >> Oh, definitely. but that's just because of the evidence. Like I see it. Like to me it's clear. Like I'm I don't see how people see it, but the more research you do into this, like the more it's going to be clear for you that there's definitely some some probably we we lost some knowledge. I don't know how or or why that happened, but maybe it's just kept in secret like like you say sometimes, you know, like the government has all this technology. They worked on all of that. You have the birds. You have all that evidence. We just don't have the declassified like patents or or like the technologies themselves, right? But then again, we're you you can actually see those technologies in the sky sometimes when you just look up. So, what do you Why do you think they would be hiding it then? I mean, you you probably know my opinions, but I want to hear yours. Like what is your rationale for why you think they would hide this technology if they have it? >> Oh, for control, obviously. Especially if you have enemies, you don't want them to have them. So, definitely. I would I don't know. I've probably had done the same myself. I know sometimes you go back and forth on that. Sometimes when I think about it, me too. I mean, what would you do? I mean, you can't even control what people are going to do with it. Like you have no idea. You don't know people. You can't trust people. So, I don't know. I mean, if if they ever told me, "Hey, man, you can actually come here and work for us. You can do all this work on these patents if you want, the secret technology. You just can't tell anybody." I'll just be like, "Hell yeah, dude." Like that's all I want to do. That's [laughter] literally I wrote that down for my next life. That's my thing, man. >> That was going to be my next question for you. It was going to be like, "Hey, man, if they if if the Men in Black show up at your door and they're like, 'Yo, Gabe, we got a deal for you, man. You got to give up your old life. If you got to give up your old life, but you're going to come and you're going to work in that shady, you know, the the place we're going to let you see the Bob Lazar anti-gravity machine and the flying saucers and the alien bodies.' You know, would you give it all up? Are Are going to make the hard choice? >> Oh, put me in. >> [laughter] >> I want to I want to know more. I want to study. I don't I don't have to tell people. It's okay. >> That's what's funny. I think that uh before people become truly, I think, enlightened on this, they're all about, "Well, no, I would want to reveal it. I would tell the truth." You know, they do the Bob Lazar thing where he came out and he's trying to like expose the >> fake. You kind of know that's like I don't know. >> [laughter] >> Well, even though even if we just take it at face value, just for the sake of argument, he's now saying, "No, he would have he wouldn't do that anymore." He's now saying >> Lazar's not fake. I just mean like somebody goes and says, "I don't I wouldn't really reveal it." Like that's kind of fake. Like you probably would. Like Like even the I don't know. Like Lynn Heedley he leaked it when he wasn't supposed to and he got all that all those consequences. So, Like who who's to say you're not going to tell anybody? >> But look at his of Edward Lynn is really unique. Like he wasn't trying to leak and damage national security. >> Yeah, exactly, right. And then they just found out about it. >> But he was keeping notes, right? He was still doing something sketchy. He was still doing some, you know, sketchy ass keeping notes about his operations, clearly like recording, taking recordings of surveillance and stuff that he shouldn't be having. >> Yeah, he shouldn't have. If that was me, personally, I wouldn't have done any of that. >> [laughter] >> No, I mean, dude, that's I mean, >> You got to keep it No, so some things you just don't tell people. >> Yeah. And then bragging about it on top of that, right? Cuz that's the risk. Cuz like if you're going to do something sketchy like that, you can't go around telling people, dude. If you got a secret notebook of all the operations you did, you don't talk about it. >> Right, exactly. That's why I'm I'm skeptical sometimes. I see people coming out, some random people saying, "Oh, we did this. We did that." I'm like I'm not really >> it wasn't a spy situation, right? And that's the point there being that this thing must be like a brotherhood. Like when they pull you in, Gabe, when you when you sign that contract, brother, you are never going to leak that. You are never going to tell. But you know why? Cuz number one, you know they'll kill you. You know they'll kill you right away. You're like, "Okay, I If you come in >> Oh yeah, right. I don't I don't want to I don't want to get killed, too. I'm not trying to. >> And that's the thing is like the people that join make a conscious decision. Like they're It's not like they're going to going against their will. They're like, "Hey, man, you want to work on some crazy Like you can work on it, but you can never talk about it." And when I say never, I mean like we'll put you in prison for the rest of your life at best. Right? And that >> Yeah, I mean that's fine with me. I'm a good friend. I can keep secrets. >> [laughter] >> Look, me too. Me too. Sign me up. Honestly, the way I've seen people just become stupid online, the idiocracy at this point, may maybe those videos are real. >> I mean at this point just put me in it. Yeah, I agree. >> Send [laughter] me to Diego Garcia. I'll just, you know, build some walls or whatever at this point. But isn't it crazy though, like if we take those videos and the stuff that I talk about at face value, the level of technology that they have beyond what we're working with in the public is like >> insane. It's insane. Even if you just if I just show it to a random person, like a friend of mine, you know, like I'm just like somebody like just a friend of mine from like college or Xbox or whatever. I just show him the video, they're always like, "Holy right?" Like normal reaction that you expect. But then you don't know who's actually going to be interested in it who's going to be like, "Nah, I don't really want to I don't really want to worry about it. This probably fake. I don't want to investigate this even more." Well, the consequences are huge. Um I mean, we're at 0.7 on the Kardashev scale according to Edgar Mitchell, the guy who stepped on the moon, the sixth guy who stepped on the moon, right? He actually Well, Edgar Mitchell is a very interesting guy. He he died being a ZPE consultant, in his own words, for two different companies. I'm pretty sure one of them um I'm pretty sure it's EarthTech from here, from Austin. Uh the other one I I'm not sure, but >> I'll have to look that up cuz Edgar Mitchell, yeah, he had the emails from Podesta, right? That that you the >> Oh oh yeah, there's that, too. Yeah. >> That that >> so he wrote No, I'll look up his paper. He wrote a whole thing in by 2010 or something called uh energy and interstellar travel. And he's just talking about zero-point energy and um he goes over all the challenges that you have nowadays, right? So, for example, we don't want to be carrying all that mass, all that fuel, all that metal when we're trying to do inter- interstellar travel. We we don't want to do that when we're going to even Mars, for example. Oh yeah, that one. >> Wow. Yeah, the economics and practicality of interplanetary and certainly interstellar are directly related to energy generation and utilization. A brief review of existing propulsion systems is discussed, followed by several possibilities for future energy generation and utilization systems. Until recently, all the alternatives have been stuffed into science fiction, but recent discoveries in theoretical physics suggest they may present real possibilities after all. They may well be on the capabilities of 21st century physics, but we can be rest assured that as our knowledge of nature's secrets slowly but continually revealed, interstellar travel may someday be within the grasp of humanity. Wow, okay. >> Yeah, that's a really good paper. And uh if you if you read it, well, according to him, we're at the 0.7 on the scale, and fusion will push us to a one, maybe even two. So, a zero-point fuel technology is reinvestigating ways of trying to make it so that fusion happens uh easier um by using the vacuum as a a third object from the third body problem. Uh if we're able to interact with the vacuum, maybe make it easier for fusion to happen. We can make it so that we can go up on that on the scale uh civilizational scale by at least uh a good margin, at least like one point. If just one point, that will make a huge difference. Because that is based on how much energy a civilization can create, right, to sustain itself. Well, if we're able to actually have fusion as a basic form of energy generation, we're at at least at a at the one at the scale. And that that changes everything already. And then uh every time I I I even saw um pretty sure uh it was Trump or somebody from his uh administration. They were talking about the fact that they're going to generate extra electricity from the AI data centers. And I was like, "How?" And then I remember, "Well, there is uh those guys, you know, there's TriAlpha Energy, there is um Helion Energy H um and they're working on something that is actually related exactly to that, which is uh intertronic fusion with direct energy conversion that would give you actual electricity. And I was like, "Hmm, is that what they're talking about?" I don't really I'm not really sure, but that that was the first thing that came to my mind. And then if we're actually able to do that for the data centers, that's that's going to be a major revolution because everybody's going to realize it, right? And then if we're getting extra electricity, I'm I'm already imagining how people are going to react and be like, "Oh, that's not true. That that Where is it coming from?" All that. Like, I don't even know what people are justifying nowadays. They're probably saying something like, "Yeah, we're just we're just getting this energy right here and we're just putting over there. We're just reusing it. Maybe we get some extra, but it's not crazy, right?" I don't know. But if if it is true that the zero-point energy couples to um electromagnetism or fusion or all of that, well, I mean, it's it's obvious that that's exactly what he's talking about. Just wait, I was saying it. >> Did you I don't know if you saw the Tri Alpha Energy CEO made an announcement that they were going to have a new contract with a helium-3 provider, too. So, and then he didn't he said like the way he mentioned like different fuel fuel types like they're going to have access to be able to burn different fuel types. >> Oh, I'm pretty sure it's going to be those third generation fuels and all of that. >> [laughter] >> It 100% is. It's Aneutronic. And that's what that's weird how they're dodging the whole like directed energy conversion thing. But like >> They're probably waiting for something to happen so they can actually talk more about. I don't know what it is. It could be the actual Trump disclosure, which I have no idea. I'm not there to know, right? People who don't know about it, they might just be thinking, "Well, this guy is kind of crazy. What is he even talking about?" But Um I I don't know. It seems like they're waiting on something. >> No, they are. And think about it though cuz I think you just you just nailed it right now in this podcast, which is if we can tap into zero-point energy, then fusion is should it should be in a way to make fusion easier, right? And this is this actually explains it. They must have figured out fusion. When we figured out zero-point energy, we must have figured out fusion a long time ago because figuring out zero-point energy makes fusion simple to pull off. And that would explain why we're covering up fusion, too, because as you said, if there is this coupling between electromagnetism and zero-point energy, they had to have figured it out. And then you're going, "Oh, that's why." Because if we unlock fusion, it's going to become like impossible to hide that there's a zero-point energy and that we can interact with it and potentially extract energy from it. >> Exactly. Yeah, I I think it's it's it's crazy seeing it happen the way it is right now and me being in the position that I am right now doing the work that I'm doing with Douglas and all of that. I think that we need more people like you know, us just trying to investigate this, trying to actually work seriously on it, try to figure it out because uh I'm I'm I'm just not going to I don't want to wait here and just sit on my couch and wait for somebody to go ahead and and like do it, you know? Like I want to be the person involved in it and I want to I don't know. I want to be part of the change because I'm seeing it happen. Like I I I see that the guys are literally setting it up for it to happen very soon in the next few years. So what are we even doing here? Like if you're in college, you got to get a two If you're into math or whatever physics, you should get into it because as even Helion has said it itself themselves, electrical engineering is the biggest fusion is the biggest challenge of electrical engineering in the century. >> You Dude, you nailed it. That was the clip right there. That's That's the one that'll inspire Because yeah, fusion is the answer and that's that's what's going to going to happen. Like that's what they're about to reveal. If we're right about zero point energy, you can begin to see the future. You can begin to see how this stuff is playing out. And it's going to play out where they're going to roll out fusion for us, but they're probably going to roll out the nerfed version, right? And then it's going to be weird cuz you're going to have Commonwealth who's doing their tokamak fusion with their metal donuts. But then you're going to have Tri Alpha Energy and Helion Fusion doing like reverse field configuration. >> Doing the complete like so completely different. People are going to be like, "What What the is happening? What How are these guys getting all this energy? Where Where is it coming from?" And I I I I remember you were trying to talk to What is his name Curley? Um Trying to get him to talk about the anomalous extra energy and all that and they were kind of dodging it. Yeah, it's so sus, bro. Like it's I don't know. The way they make it Sometimes it's obvious for some people and it's not for others, which is fine. You know? >> What's weird though is like those guys have to know, you know? So you compare like So David Curley is the CEO of Helion Fusion and he's on social media and it's not like he's got a Brazilian followers. So he like sees my posts, you know, like I ratio him in his own [clears throat] comments. And I'm not like mean, I'm just like asking questions. Like, what about anomalous excess energy from running like, you know, non-equilibrium configuration? And he just ignores it. Like, doesn't even touch >> Yeah, like, "Hey, bro. I can't actually discuss that. You got to You got to like calm down, bro. Chill out a little bit." >> [laughter] >> That's what it feels like. And I'm sitting here going like, that's got to be what's happening. Cuz then you see J Young Park, right? The one guy that knows Dr. J Young Park, who's the lead technical advisor for TAE. And he used to work for Polywell, which was Dr. Bussard's uh >> Yeah, another crazy connection, too. Like, these guys they have been involved in so many things like in the past. Like, you only know if you actually just look it up and like research. >> [laughter] >> And that's what's hard. Like, a lot of people don't read the papers. Even I didn't, you know, back in the day. And now I'm reading like 800-page textbooks, which is I don't >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. >> But you realize cuz you realize like this is there's like an actual lineage between these guys. And it's not a million different branches. That's why >> There's a whole continuity. >> Yeah, exactly. And so, even with the Polywell device, you know, you see um everybody references even Salvatore Pais references it in his own in his own reactor. So, makes you wonder then like that has to be somewhere in there is where the government figured it out, I guess. And then they've been hiding it. I don't know. Where do you think that this is like from aliens or something like that? Or do you think humans figured it out? Where do you land on that front? >> Well, I mean, it could be, too. I mean, it could be the like, you know, that idea that they crashed and then we found it, reversed engineer it, um you know, now we're using it for defense purposes. Um I mean, that that sounds that sounds pretty possible, but I I I don't know, man. Like Uh I I have never seen an alien, but I have seen um a few times just like, you know, sometimes I will go to the beach at night and like watch the clear sky. And I will see some like a weird stuff like some um just like, you know, like blinking uh in the like way over there up there, right? And I'm like, I'm not crazy, right? I'm putting my glasses on. I've seen this stuff moving. I'm like, I'm asking my friends, and they're like, "Yeah, they kind of looks like it, right?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I don't know." So, I always had that in the back of my head, you know, like uh who knows? We I mean, where where even are we here? >> [laughter] >> I mean, if if it is true that there is aliens and there's also technology here, I mean, is there an agreement? >> There is somewhere where >> I mean, what why are we even for them? What are we for aliens at all? Are we like cattle? Are we like somebody Are we like important to them at all? I mean, kind of seems like if they exist, we should be important somehow, right? Um >> Or related could be another option, either important or related. The one I keep going back to is like, what if we're like we are the aliens and we just got left behind, you know? Like cuz you think too that who we are is a lot of the product of our level of technology. And if we lost our level of technology, would we just instantly become cavemen again? Like we I think we might. I don't know. What do you think from a philosophical >> Probably, but um I don't really have a problem when it comes to identity because I'm a very Christian. Um so, if there is aliens, that doesn't change a lot. Um in relation to aliens. >> all think that it will, though? That like when you listen to the people, they're all like, "Oh, if the aliens are real, the religious people are going to They're going to be mind-blown." Like >> Well, that's just Yeah. I mean, if if you're religious at all, that shouldn't shake you that much. I mean, it's part of the story. I mean, if you read the read the Bible, there are so many different monsters, giants, and like all that crazy stuff. Like, why not aliens? And what if fallen angels are aliens? Like, you know, there's all those ideas. I mean, >> Absolutely. Do you happen to Do you subscribe to that belief? Or do you separate the aliens and demons from uh from one another? Or you think >> Oh, I'm not sure. Well, I I read a lot into it. Uh Uh I know all the opinions. I know all the different opinions. I know there are some people who think they are the same. I know some people who think they're different. I know some people who are like, you know, there's some uh there's uh Uh I shouldn't say this live, so you should probably cut this part. >> Yeah. >> But there's a lot of Satanists and Freemasons. Like, even a Manly P. Hall, uh which is the one of the greatest geniuses in Freemasonry, and he he's always talking about um um Sorry, I think I lost it. Um They're all saying They're all talking about the fact that they we can use different port- portals and to interact with different dimensions from uh and interact with different intelligences. And he like, is it aliens or is it demons? I mean, when you go to uh Satanism, you're going to see all those rituals that they do. They need a pentagram. They They have to apology, by the way, because they they need the geometries. They need all that in order to create certain effects as well, right? It's just a little different than what we actually are talking about. But they're actually always dealing with this like the quantum vacuum, and they're always dealing with portals, and they're always dealing with the same stuff that we're talking about, just in different terms, right? Uh you should cut that part, but uh that's just for you, Ashton. But um >> I'll keep it. Why why It's good. I like that part. That's good. Cuz here's reality, like, if you think about that, that's a good ar- That's a good argument to make. Is that if we look, and this is what Graham Hancock does, too. He takes and looks at these stories and he says, like, what if we look at these through a modern lens? If we look at these stories of demons through a modern lens, like we're looking at an extra dimension, we're looking at portals, we're looking at wormholes, we're looking at beings that maybe can become invisible. Like that's not actually insane anymore. Like that's actually something that fits within the realm of physics and the DIRD, the Defense Intelligence Reference Documents. So you think about that and you go, "Well, maybe all these do have a common ancestor." That's kind of what I was getting at is that for me it's like I think we're going to find out that a lot of what people saw is either spiritual or supernatural, it's going to have could have, you know, a technological origin and not necessarily from the future, either. I think there's a possibility that the stuff comes from the past because I don't think there's any reason why civilizations couldn't have been way more advanced than we are now even a million years ago, you know. I think people that's something people have a hard time understanding from a time perspective. >> Oh, definitely. Imagine if there was a huge reset of catastrophe right now. I mean, what will happen the next day? We will start from the zero again. >> [laughter] >> And you think that that you think that ever happened? I was going to ask you about that cuz personally, I think there's a good chance that we already were reset once or maybe maybe many times, you know. John Brandenburg has that theory that Mars was nuked and reset and possibly like abiogenesis, like we came here, migrated here. Like do you think that's possible? >> Sorry, I lost my my talking point. Sorry. >> Uh no, no big deal. So yeah, with respect to the you know, the catastrophe stuff, like >> Oh, yeah. Well, probably definitely. I mean, if you if you read the Bible, there is there is the uh I I forget the the word diluv, um the the flood, right? Um and then people who study it these these issues, they say, "Well, uh there's there's been more than one flood already." And then there's some people who say, "Well, there there was a huge uh you know, the people from the um uh electric universe, the plasma universe." Um uh like, you know, they say, "Well, there's a huge plasma catastrophe somehow um back in the day." Uh it seems to me that all of this is possible. Um but I I'm not really into the guy who buys into these huge scales of a millions and millions or billions of years. Or like how these uh uh because he he I I believe that he he I kind of actually gets you lost. It like puts It makes you It diminishes yourself as a person. Makes you so small that it kind of makes you forget that even though you're a grain of sand in all of this, your soul is immortal. Meaning that once you're dead and you're passed to the other side, uh all this all the whole history of humanity is going to happen in the click of like in the snap, in the click of Yeah, like in the blink of an eye. So, that that's going to be like nothing when you're on the other side. Like, it transcends everything. So, >> What's your thoughts on that in terms of um I think there's a popular theory. I mean, my belief is that the scientists and engineers have come to a similar similar conclusion. And that's why they're not all obsessed with living forever. Like, maybe they they um Sorry, there's a little background noise. I don't know I'm getting a little feedback on there, but um I think this is why they're not necessarily afraid of living forever cuz they realize like you're still living on forever and that after you die potentially, you will be reborn in some way, shape, or form. Maybe not in this lifetime, but you know, maybe some other world reality. >> Probably help with our beliefs that since he was so invested in every move viewing and uh because that links to like reincarnation and all of that, right? And if you go ahead and try to explain all those things, uh you're going to end up with the zero-point field again. >> Yeah, it always comes back to Hal Puthoff, too. And all the ideas he used come back to Hal Puthoff. Do Do you Who is your favorite in terms of zero-point energy scientist or engineer? Do you think Hal Puthoff is I think he's the guy, you know, number one guy. >> Oh, I don't I don't I don't have a favorite. Uh I really like Puthoff. Uh like just uh his stuff, for sure. Um I like Mitchell, for sure. He was doing a lot of uh research on how do you connect this to more like consciousness. He was trying to more explain it in the way that's more open, like in an open system. Uh how it relates to our reality and the way that we actually um uh behave and how we actually perceive things. Um I don't have a favorite. I I honestly, I read all of them. Like I I I've Ferris Williams, um Puthoff, uh Davis Davis I haven't read as much because of but but other people, for sure. Um like Model, uh Sonny White, Charles Beeler, um the electrostatics uh lead scientist from NASA. Um who else? I have so so much material. Barry Setterfield. Like I have so many books here. Hold on. But This is my >> Barry Setterfield, didn't he >> I'll say Barry Setterfield. Yeah. >> Yeah, he cuz he expanded Hal Puthoff's polarizable vacuum model, right? >> Yeah, he's great. Yeah. And I Oh, I really like watching just uh his videos, too, on YouTube. They're They're really interesting like entertaining to watch. Barry Setterfield's uh I'll forget the name of the channel. It's not Barry Setterfield. It's something different. Uh it is it's it's really cool, too. Um I I'm doing I like doing my own research. Um you know, I write everything down. I don't This is the probably uh This is uh uh just talking about the fact that the zero-point field is a solution of the homogeneous Maxwell's equations, meaning it's made of B and E. And all the ugly numbers there and the symbols. >> [laughter] >> I like I read anything basically. I don't know. I just I just I'm I don't have a favorite. >> Well, let me ask then. What would be >> Well, you're my favorite. You're my favorite to listen to for sure. Like definitely 100%. Like if I'm listening to you, I can listen to you all day. Like that's that's not a problem. >> Thank you very much, man. I appreciate it. What would be your goal or objective getting this technology like made more ubiquitous in society, you know, getting >> Oh, I want to make it work. I want to make it work. I want to I want to I want to do something that will actually happen. That will actually give give us like people like something productive to to do with. Like if it will actually like if if you'll make it cheaper for you to pay your bills, awesome. Like if you'll make it easier for you to get somewhere else, awesome, too. Like whatever. I don't care. Like as long as it actually helps people, contribute contributes society. It actually like No, no, I'm talking about random people from the other side of the world. I'm thinking about like more like people around me, like my family, my friends, the people who live around me, even you and the community and everybody. Like I want to make something that will actually help people. I don't want to just you know, I don't want to I don't want to do electrical engineering just so I can go ahead and install like an electrical circuit in people's houses. Like I don't even know them. Like I don't see myself doing that. Like I want to do some real research, like figure things out that people are trying to figure out cuz that's what I'm good at. >> Well, I'd say you are you are yourself an inspiration, man. Cuz you are exactly what I wanted people to do is for people to be inspired by this and to research it, investigate it. And in fact, that's why I wanted to have you on because you are the living essence of my hopes and my dreams for humanity. And so, I didn't think that people would already be this far along, this interested in it. Um so, I'm just amazed, honestly, especially because you're still, you know, studying, and you've read all this stuff. You just listed off like, you know, five major scientists and engineers that I've been researching. >> I'm I'm going to keep studying I'm going to die studying, like That That's one of my favorite things. Like, I'm I'm going to die and going to be still studying with a book there or something, I don't know. >> Well, let me ask what would you want people to know about zero point energy or about this technology in terms of why it's significant or like any message of like hope for people because when I think about it in terms of like how I would have wanted to inspire you and other people, I tell people like, this technology is something where like your children could be like warp drive engineers in the future, right? Like, they could be fusion engineers, the people that are building fusion reactors. And like, gives them, in my opinion, like a new perspective where as before they're looking at like, I have to be an Uber driver. It's like, no, you could be like Star Trek warp drive engineers. >> [laughter] >> Right. You could be a You could be a flying car Uber driver. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Using zero point energy. >> Exactly, like in Back to the Future, you know, flying around on our flying cars. Uh but instead, people were stuck in this world where we like work our 9:00 to 5:00 jobs where like AI can do a lot of this. Um you What's your I didn't ask you about AI. Let me ask real quick, like what are your thoughts on the direction of AI at the moment? >> Well, it's great as a tool. I use it for research. I use it to verify my calculations. Sometimes you There's no way you're going to You can There's some stuff that I And me personally some some things are so advanced that you need if you're doing the calculations you need somebody who's really good at it to be able to tell you okay this is good this is decent this is more or less or this is trash try again you know. Like I can you can do that with professors too but not all professors are going to have the same knowledge or and nobody is going to I doubt if there's going to be one professor in your college that's going to know about your plan or he's going to be able to like analyze a problem like or a problem or like a paper from like these guys without having to do a lot of research before that is maybe because they haven't been introduced sometimes they're just not interested. I mean I don't know. Um so AI is is is great uh it helps me verify some stuff it it shows me it it gives me some sources that I sometimes I haven't heard before uh you know. Uh it finds some papers that are really interesting that I never I haven't heard about before. And uh sometimes it actually helps I can actually uh include it in my in my work I've I find ways of trying to including it right because I'm I'm supposed to be the the most skeptical person in the company right so I got to be the guy who's like Yeah I see this paper right here I don't really know if it's going to do anything like I maybe just like throw it away let's see the next one you know like Um >> So what do you do you think though that what about the advancement of AI? I mean are you concerned that it's going to obsolete us all? I mean >> It's been advancing pretty quickly. >> first of all let me just finish that by saying AI is great for organization as well if you're doing any job you're not using AI to organize your papers or your ideas whatever you're doing I don't know what you're doing with your life you're going to stay behind like 10 years at least or more like so you definitely need to do that at least for organizing stuff. Um well maybe I mean it might AI might um uh substitute people I mean they they are doing already I'm pretty sure I heard on the radio that there's a school here in Texas they're they're trying uh they're planning on doing like at least 2 hours per day of AI teaching and substituting professors there or teachers and instead of just putting the AI to teach the kids. I was like Yeah, I was like I really like that idea. I don't think that's how you should use AI. Oh. >> No, that's like the bad way to use it. That's like Grok. >> Yeah, like No, but like you know the whole idea when you read like 1984 or you read you know do some research on those other topics. You're going to see that there's people who have been planning on making this like a kind of situation where you depend on AI for everything like right? And then also if they happen to actually roll out like a neural thing where you can put AI in your brain or a chip and you can actually do work. I'm I'm pretty sure a lot of people are going to buy into it right away, especially gamers. Like gamers are going to be the first type of people who are going to be like oh hell yeah, dude. I'm going to put that in my head and I'm just going to play better like like they're going to do that for sure. But also like Huh? >> Brain chip me up, bro. >> Yeah, right. >> [laughter] >> I mean you definitely I can see that happening for sure. I mean Elon Musk has his own What is it called? Neuralink. thing. I mean any anybody could I mean I'm pretty sure there's so many people developing it right now. I can see that happening sometime in the future and then there's going to be people who are going to be more advanced on their careers. They're going to do more because of the AI assistance. Some people are going to be behind and I don't know really how we're going to have to like deal with that exactly. Like we got figure out a way because it's going to happen anyways. Like there's nothing we can do to stop it right now, especially with Entropic and GPT. Um you know all those those >> I don't know because what it Here's a sick maybe kind of a dangerous thought, but I'm afraid that what's going to happen is the AI is going to become more efficient than humans. Not all humans, but more efficient than like you said, the people that like, you know, reject the brain chips, that ignore AI. Like, at some point people wonder like, what's the value of someone even living? You know, this is like the hard question to be asked, but especially when especially when free energy is being If AI has free energy, then at that some point it's just a matter of like, are you a producer or are you a user or consumer? Right? If you're a net producer, then you you can exist. And if you're not, then you can't. And I worry that that's the direction that we're going in, personally. I don't know, you think it's too dark, too too uh crazy or what? >> No, I I'm pretty sure there's people working to accomplish that right now. I mean, um I want to get into politics, but you know, there is a um there's this whole problem of people who produce, people who doesn't, what are they going to do, all that. I think I think that if if you're if you're like a president, for example, you got to be able to know the nuances of the problem and figure out a way of dealing with those without having to like without making it so bad, or so terrible, because there's movie all bunch of movies about this, right? Bunch of books, even video games um that I play where you're like in the future future like a what is it called like a you talk utopic society and like there's a these people who are using AI and they're you know, and there's the people who are actually poor, who live in the streets, or like they they're super poor and they just can't do anything because the AI revolution, right? Well, if you have a brain, you should be able to I mean, no, I don't want to say that if you have a brain, but like you you should you should be able to like um if you're in power up there, like you You to you got to make sure you you roll this out in the responsible way because I just I can see so many ways it could go wrong like >> Well, that's the big thing about zero-point energy is that if we don't do this in a responsible way, if we don't have the adults at the table rolling this out, we're going to blow ourselves up. This is going to end in total disaster or best-case scenario, some dystopian society that you were just mentioning that were out there. >> Yeah, imagine if we zero-point energy and an AI and a machine together and you just tell them like I'm not saying hey you're able to extract Yeah, I'm not saying hey you can extract zero-point energy from the vacuum infinitely. I'm not saying that. But like let's just imagine you create a robot with AI, you give them infinite energy. What is What is going to happen then like we're we're like what is I mean I don't even know. I mean what is it made of? Can you even destroy it? Can you stop it? >> That's what I worry about is I like I go work like there's no way this can happen. >> Yeah, like if you're if you're rolling this out, you got to have a contingency plan. Like you got you you got to have stuff like ready for it. >> And that's probably what they're dealing with, you know? >> You know, because they got to put contingency plans in place. They got to make sure it's going to be safe. Like and they probably isn't probably isn't safe and there may be no way to put those contingency plans in place. That's why I kind of you know I don't I think people are gatekeeping this. Like they made some hard decisions and it's probably going to come back and burn them, but they probably did it for the right reasons at the time, you know? >> Yeah. Yeah, it depends. I don't really know because I don't really trust people like that and I wasn't really there in the room. So I I can't give you my honest opinion on that. I like I When it comes to that, I have no idea what those guys were actually thinking. Like I know what they say in public. But what they actually think I don't know. Maybe you can find that on their own writings, right? Like hey man, we actually have all this. We're developing this. We need more funding maybe or whatever, but like I I don't trust that much. Like I'm I believe it without believing. Like I'm I'm super skeptical. That's one of the reasons why I I think Douglas likes me and wants me working for him because like I'm super critical of even the stuff that I do myself. I criticize myself so much and like I try to make sure it's so perfect. Like I verify as much as I can. I spend so much time doing just making sure it's like all good because I want to do a good work, you know, a good job. I don't want to like do some shitty stuff. And I think Douglas appreciates that. So that maybe that helps a little bit. >> Well, I appreciate you, man, and I've appreciated this conversation. So I want to just go ahead and give you a second to just shout out you know, your Twitter handle or wherever people can interact with you cuz I think you got some really cool ideas and I think a lot of people are going to want to talk to you and interact. So let people know where they can find you and thanks again for coming on my show, man. >> Well, I'm on X. It's at Gabriel C L D S X. Pretty sure. Um that's the >> put it in the description. >> Okay, yeah, I'm only on X. That's where I post all my stuff. Um I'm very private person. I really talk. I don't like exposing myself or talking about me like that. Um but it's it's all there. I'm just reposting some stuff from Douglas, you know, sometimes I'm just posting my own ideas. Um and yeah, you can follow me there and what I could say is that if you're actually studying electrical engineering, just keep it up. Because something big is about to happen sometime very soon. I don't I don't know what it is, but it seems that it's going to be really big and uh the whole everything is pointing to it. This this direction. Like just look at Helion and Tri Alpha Energy. Look at these big comp- look at how much money they got recently. It's it's it's all pointing to that direction. So um if you're interested in doing this, go for electrical engineering. If it's too difficult, it's whatever, dude. Like I don't know. Uh maybe you should do physics then, or do something else related to it. I don't know. Or just do it on the side. Like, you don't even need a degree. I mean, I'm getting mine because I want to I want to be credentialed. I want to be Actually, I want to be the person who can actually talk to and trust, right? Um >> Uh you muted. >> My bad. So, obviously I'm not as good as these guys that you all that you're talking to, like you know, Salvatore Pais or Dr. Tom Valone or uh you know, Hal Puthoff, all these guys. But I'm trying to get there. So, uh >> I believe in you, man. >> Yeah. Yeah, thank you for having me. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it was awesome. It was great to meet you, by the way. >> Oh yeah, it was awesome meeting you, too. And I'mma let the CIA know where you're at, so when they want to knock on your door >> Oh man, they already know it. >> [laughter] >> I ran into Hal Puthoff. He's literally 10 minutes from me. >> [laughter] >> That's awesome. Okay, well, have a good day, Gabe. And everybody who's been watching, thank you very much for checking in to another Hard to the Podcast.